AA Contract Abrogated!

[caseyd]

If they are allowed to engage in self help, but the union can't engage in self help, the court done away with the RLA.

Negative ghostrider....not until negotiation commence, reach impasse and release is granted by NMB..... Unfortunately, for those who think self-help is the answer, its years away.

 

[B-atch]

Its called a "wildcat strike" essentially ALL/MOST pilots withdraw their service. Example: Eastern Airlines.

 

[ultrarunner]

If they are allowed to engage in self help, but the union can't engage in self help, the court done away with the RLA.

To a large extent, yes. As the appeals court ultimately ruled the NWA FA's could not strike.

The parties will simply be pressured to continue to negotiate, and as we saw in the NWA FA case, after 3 votes, the FA's eventually voted in favor of the concessionary contract.

The request to be released from mediation to begin self-help in 30 days is, for the most part, purely symbolic in todays world of mega-carriers and economic times. DAL, UCAL, AA, et. al, have a much stronger lobby than their respective labor unions combined. Regardless of the administration, the PEB would simply be exercised to prevent self-help. And that makes the assumption the NMB would even grant the request...

The larger the carriers become, the less powerful their labor unions. The irony....

 

[SKC]

Judge rules American Airlines can't void pilots' union contract

A bankruptcy judge decided Wednesday American Airlines can't cancel its contract with the the Allied Pilots Association after the pilots rejected the airline's last offer. It was the first time a pilots union has let a judge decide the fate of its contract. A News 8 source called it a "limited victory" for the Allied Pilots Association.


per wfaa.com

 

[Iflyamouse]

No Need To Strike

Judge upholds AMR's contract!

The Court concludes that American’s proposed changes to furlough and codesharing have not been justified by either reference to the Business Plan or the practices of American’s competitors. Given the significance of these two provisions collectively to American’s proposal,the Court finds that American has not shown that the proposal is necessary as required by Section 1113. For the reasons set forth above, therefore, American’s Motion to reject the collective bargaining agreements of the APA is denied. This denial is without prejudice to remedying the two defects identified in this Opinion and submitting a new application under Section 1113. Debtors’ counsel shall settle an order on three days’ notice.


http://www.amrcaseinfo.com/pdflib/4044_15463.pdf

Filed on 8/15/2012 at 17:44.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

I apologize for this thread. Got a bad email this morning from
APA and am guilty of a false start. I am in shock at the decision! A big win I think.

Unit

 

[ultrarunner]

Well, it's a win to the extent you don't get a forced contract. That's good!

It'll be interesting if AA refiles it's petition. And naturally it remains to be seen if AA and APA renegotiate.

Membership pretty much said they're not going to accept a concessionary contract, so if I were AA, I wouldn't expect my NC to bring me another one to vote on!

 

[caseyd]

The larger the carriers become, the less powerful their labor unions. The irony....[/QUOTE]


Ultra...

I disagree. It seems to me that with CAL, NWA, AT, AWA and potentially LCC gone from the landscape that pattern bargaining can once again return. And that is a good thing for labor. Reflective of an earlier (read regulated) era when costs only mattered to the extent that mine was not outrageously higher than yours. Not that cost won't matter but the pressure on carriers will abate because there are fewer leading to the elimination of outliers.

 

[linepilot]

I hear lots of cases of anal glaucoma will be spreading throughout the pilot group.

Silly jack wagon.

 

[Golden Falcon]

t'll be interesting if AA refiles it's petition. And naturally it remains to be seen if AA and APA renegotiate.

Refiling today.....

 

[KNOTS]

Dewey beats Truman!

 

[doh]

Negative ghostrider....not until negotiation commence, reach impasse and release is granted by NMB..... Unfortunately, for those who think self-help is the answer, its years away.

If management is allowed to impose terms, that is self help for management. In essence, they have been released, while the pilots are enjoined from self help. My assessment is correct.

 

[Snapshot]

Wait a minute! A pro-labor administration gets voted into office and all of a sudden decisions start to fall on the labor side of the line?

NO WAY!

What an amazing, miraculous, coincidence!

Please continue to vote against your own best interests because you've been told your guns or church is somehow in danger, even though they aren't.

Nothing at all to be learned here.

 

[AA717driver]

Wait a minute! A pro-labor administration gets voted into office and all of a sudden decisions start to fall on the labor side of the line?

NO WAY!

What an amazing, miraculous, coincidence!

Please continue to vote against your own best interests because you've been told your guns or church is somehow in danger, even though they aren't.

Nothing at all to be learned here.

This was not a "win" for labor. It was just the judge doing what he thought was right.

The company has re-filed and the judge will accept it. The company and the creditors now have their noses out of joint because APA has the temerity to rattle their sabre.

The only recourse APA has is an illegal strike. Working within the corrupt framework of the RLA/NMB and the national political structure is pointless.

What's in YOUR scrotum?

TC

 

[Golden Falcon]

I have a warm fuzzy feeling that "TA" would look pretty good after whats coming next.....