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American, Unions Deal; Bankruptcy Avoided
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By BRAD FOSS, AP Business Writer

American Airlines reached tentative agreement with all three of its unions, avoiding bankruptcy, a source familiar with the situation said Monday.





The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said technicalities still needed to be worked out, but that it appeared that American, the world's largest carrier, achieved the $1.8 billion in labor concessions that it needed to avert Chapter 11. Any agreements reached between union and company negotiators would still need to be voted upon by the employees.


Negotiators for American and unions representing pilots, flight attendants and mechanics were still meeting Monday afternoon at the airline's training center.


American said in a news release Monday that it reached a tentative agreement with its mechanics. A representative for the flight attendants said the union has concluded negotiations with the airline. The pilots union would not confirm that a deal had been struck.


A spokesman for the company refused to comment.


Officials from all three unions had said company executives indicated they would file for bankruptcy protection soon unless they had tentative agreements with all major labor groups Monday.


Shares of American soared 83 cents, or 54 percent, to $2.43 on the New York Stock Exchange (news - web sites).


The Allied Pilots Association had earlier made a proposal for $660 million in savings by changing work rules and making across-the-board pay cuts. American has said $660 million is the pilots' share of necessary cost cuts.


The union said it was confident that its proposal would let American Airlines compete with United Airlines and US Airways, which have cut costs in bankruptcy, and with low-cost carriers.


Steve Blankenship, a spokesman for the pilots' union, said the union would not specify the pay cuts and possible layoffs in its proposal, which pilots would have 14 days to ratify.


Last week, talks hit a snag when American said it would not count savings from nearly 1,000 pilot layoffs and retirements expected this year toward the $660 million cost-cutting goal. The union believes the cuts will save American up to $150 million.


Blankenship said a member of the National Mediation Board was called in to help resolve the dispute.


Over the weekend, the company had reached tentative agreements with six groups of ground workers, totaling 2,500 employees. The company previously reached a tentative deal with 16,300 baggage handlers.


The Association of Professional Flight Attendants submitted its $340 million cost-cutting proposal Friday.


American's parent, Fort Worth-based AMR Corp., has lost nearly $5.3 billion in the past two years as it has struggled with a slump in travel caused by the weak economy and terrorism. The war in Iraq (news - web sites) has further weakened international travel.


American also has suffered as a result of competition from low-fare carriers on about 80 percent of its routes. That has kept fares down, reducing potential revenue.
 
I wonder what surprises are in the works for Eagle? We are not even a mere speed bump in the business ethics and whims of APA and AMR.
 
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Yup. Seems things might still be hanging in the balance. I got this in my mail from an AA 767 Capt-

"I have been in DFW for 10 days working the bankruptcy deal at American. We will be done today one way or another. Deadline 11am for a deal, 3pm for bankruptcy......if we pass a tentative agreement at the board today, we will do road-shows in
LAX/SNA on Monday and Tuesday. "
 
I predict that AA files for BK regardless of what agreements are reached today. That is of course, if history is any kind of lesson.
 
http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=2955

American Eagle Pilots Retain Bankruptcy Attorney

WASHINGTON, D.C. --- The pilots of American Eagle, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), have retained the Dallas legal firm Strasburger & Price, LLP, to represent the Eagle pilots as American Airlines’ bankruptcy looms on the horizon.

"Although last week when we retained the counsel of Strasburger & Price, we were not aware of any specific information that our parent company of AMR was going to file for bankruptcy, we knew that the time had come to be prepared for any eventuality, said First Officer Dave Ryter, vice-chairman of the American Eagle pilots’ Master Executive Council, a unit of ALPA.

"It is an awkward situation to be protecting ourselves from the concessionary bargaining of the Allied Pilots Association while simultaneously insulating ourselves from the effects of a potential bankruptcy filing," said First Officer Ryter. "We are in touch with American Eagle management and have requested an immediate meeting to ensure that the interests of the American Eagle pilots are represented in any further discussions," he said.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s oldest and largest pilot union, representing 66,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the U.S. and Canada, including approximately 2,600 American Eagle pilots. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.
 
According to the local news the deal passed and no bankruptcy will be filed for now at AA.

Even better news is that the same local news also reported that US Air is coming out of bankruptcy and will be profitable again soon.
 
The TA hints that ALL CRJ-700's will be operated by furloughees as well as all "excess" 50 seat captains positions.

They must plan on using future RJ's to start a new carrier as the Eagle contract makes NO provisions for anything not strictly under letter 3 (which can only be modified thru negotiation or bankrupcy).

Also the furloughees will have seprerate crew facilitys as Eagle anger and hostility are sure to boil over. Based on what I've been hearing, they will not be part of our contract and will not be accepted in our crew lounges.

This could very well be a disaster for AMR.
 
If the TA is passed by the APA: The Eagle pilots will walk off the job.

If the TA is voted down: AMR will file BK immediately and ask the judge for everything they ever wanted.

It's a catastrophic situation.
 
What is BK?

I know you're using it to mean Bankrupt...but is BK some kind of a legal abbreviation or something? Just curious...not trying to start anything.
 
EagleRJ said:
If the TA is passed by the APA: The Eagle pilots will walk off the job.

If the TA is voted down: AMR will file BK immediately and ask the judge for everything they ever wanted.

It's a catastrophic situation.

Let's see....Eagle pilots wouldn't walk of the job to protect their careers against AMR Eagle's 16 year TA and we're supposed to believe that you'll walk off the job now to protest AA's TA?

I prefer BK over this TA personally. Only time will tell, but eventually you have to have a spine and stand up for something.
 
Good point 80drvr.
Thing is: we lose every major arbitration (the latest one under quite mysterious circumstances). We can't strike. 'Sick outs' don't work.

Our union has tried/is trying every legal option to improve things.
AMR really has us by the b*lls here and they know it.
Our biggest mistake was to sign that 16 year deal. Unfortunately,
it looks like we have to live with it for a decade longer.

I don't think quitting would get the message across to management either. There's too many guys out there that would step right in and hold the door for us on the way out.
 
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If this TA passes and the furloughs start, Carty's going to come back, force more furloughs, and go after pensions. Predict a slashed A fund and elimination of the B-fund. An incremental attack, a la US Air's Siegle.

I'll bet the "plan" is to migrate all domestic flying to Eagle. You watch.
 
Be careful what you wish for...

If Sup W dies, with it goes the flow through. Sure, Eagle doesn't want AA furloughees to take the new ERJ's, that's understandable. But you should have thought about that when you agreed to the flowthrough.

If I was a AA newhire, I would now really resent the 400 some Eagle people that have seniority numbers senior to me. If you're going to get pissy about the flowback, we can get pissy about the flowthroughs.

As far as being hated by Eagle pilots goes, I've been in this business almost 20 years. I've been through the ARW-MVA and TWA-OZA merger aftermath and now I'm living with the AA-TWA merger. I've got pretty thick skin.

Cheers, TC
 
Sure, Eagle doesn't want AA furloughees to take the new ERJ's, that's understandable. But you should have thought about that when you agreed to the flowthrough.

Huh?? This TA has nothing to do with the "flowthrough/flowback". It is AA pilots coming in 'en masse' to take all future slots on 50+seat RJ's and the CRJ. The "flowback" has been followed to the letter thus far. This TA is merely an end run around that agreement.
There were very high expectations in both the flowthrough and flowback agreements. AA and AE both found out the hard way that there were glaring deficiencies from what was promised and from what actually happened.
 
What does the contract say? If AE ALPA thinks 50+ seat RJ and CRJ flying belongs to AE exclusively, then they need to grieve it.
 
The flowback hasn't worked as advertised. AE put a 3000 hr minimum on people allowed to fly CA on the ERJ. That benched a bunch of fighter pilots who were just hired at AA.

I agree with Draginass, no one said who owns the 50 seaters. Who says those airplanes won't go to AX?

Besides, APA wanted to work out a reasonable solution to "onelist". ALPA told them to pound sand. I was there when onelist was debated at a APA BOD meeting. In no way was it an attempt to grab Eagle seats.

Respectfully, TC
 
"HYPOCRYTES" for the last 8 years most AA pilots cried that eagle was taking their flying, that the RJ or "Jungle Jets" as the APA called it was not anything that a respectable AA pilot would be caught dead in. Now you turn around and have the audacity to believe that you are entitled to take our jobs, take our routes, take our planes just because your airline is brocken. The last time I remember and AA pilots have said it many times when a controler calls AE and AA "company" is that the AA guy tells the contoller "American doesn't fly any RJ's". So let me remind you AA doesn't fly any RJ's and just like I was told when I wanted to fly a super 80 "GO GET AN APPLICATION AND GET HIRED JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE" so if you feel the need to come fly a RJ then by all means send me your address and I will get you the application to fill out because we at Eagle are not and were never intedended to be your furglough fodder!!!!!!!!

PS it truely takes big balls to ask for your 1-3 year AA guys to come back as RJ captains when it takes a minimum of 9 years here at Eagle to get to that same spot. Guess its time to take down that unity poster.

AAssholes
 
The Eagle contract DOES INDEED say that we have the rights to the aircraft and routes CURRENTLY operated by Eagle. AMR ADMITTED as much in their "one-list" proposal (READ IT AGAIN).

Some of these hypocrites are angry we didn't roll over and accept a mainline lopsided deal to benefit THEIR pilots.

Wait a minute ?

How could we not have accepted their garbage deal ?

BECAUSE THEY NEVER EVEN CARED ENOUGH TO ASK US OR INVOLVE US IN THE PROCESS.

For the record the APA CONCEDED these aircraft (RJ's) to AMR not us in exchange for Suppliment W/Letter 3 provisions.

ANYTHING outside Suppliment W/Letter 3 is nothing more than a last ditch greedy airplane grab attempt that is in VIOLATION of our contract.

ONCE AGAIN, AA pilots show their TRUE colors by shamelessly justifying ANYTHING that benefits them, TOTALLY disregarding our contractual rights and even our right to exist.

There reply ?

Don't like it, then grieve it.

Why on god's green earth our MEC and pilot group EVER attempted to mend fences with these assholes, I'll never know.

One thing is for sure. Our pilots WILL NEVER trust or accept them in the future.

F.A.P.A. - F%&K APA !
 
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Hey TC (AA717Driver), welcome aboard! C&R wasn't enough fun for you so you had to branch out, huh? Enjoy the fracas.

AS
 
Besides, APA wanted to work out a reasonable solution to "onelist". ALPA told them to pound sand

Hmmm. reasonable solution?

From the APA merge proposal..
.."Company could hire into either commuter supplement or mainline vacancies" - ie, Eagle pilots, with AA numbers, could be trumped for jobs at mainline AA by folks coming in off the street.
NOT very reasonable.

It was ALPA (Eagle MEC) who asked APA for years prior to 9/11 to work out a "one list". Things were good, so APA would'nt hear of it.
Post 9/11, APA brought forth a proposal slanted heavily towards APA and now ALPA is the bad guy?
 
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"If the TA is passed by the APA: The Eagle pilots will walk off the job."



Yeah, that will happen.........
 
The facts are that AMR has once again succeeded in dividing two labor groups who they feared were getting to close.

The business model at AA and other airlines is not working as it used to, and you can't come along and all of a sudden blame labor for all that has happened. AMR management has waited too long to try and fix the situation and we all lose if we don't come up with a better business model. Management is using the situation to divide labor and get the lowest bidder of labor contracts.

When APA was backed into a corner they asked for anything they could get for the soon to be furloughed pilots. They are representing APA pilots not ALPA pilots. Unfortunately they have made the choice to negotiate with AMR for RJ jobs knowing how it would negatively affect the Eagle pilots. This would not be so unexpected if it were not for the fact that APA and EGL/ALPA have been cooperating to combat management's attempts to outsource AMR jobs to outside lowest bidders. They realized that the unity thing was probably not going to become a reality in the current business environment, so they went for the table scraps for their future forloughees.

If the TA is approved you could have a situation where it is actually cheaper for AMR to operate RJs with AA pilots who are paid the same Eagle rates but at 2nd or 3rd year pay instead of 10+ year pay.

Together AA pilots, Eagle pilots, and now American Connection pilots we will help AMR management drive down pilot contacts to the lowest possible point. We have no one to blame except ourselves for watching this happen through out the industry.
 

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