AA and CAL merger rumor

[GIII Instructor]

Hearing rumors of a possible AA/CAL combination. I wonder how that would play out...
stay tuned.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I can't think of two airlines that have more overlap.

Houton-Dallas

Chicago-Cleveland

Newark-New York

 

[whatitdoing?]

Ya, let me stay tuned..............wait....tuned out.

 

[pkober]

Cool, I can staple myself to myself.

Another airline rumor, must be true !?!

 

[NuGuy]

I wouldn't be worried. CAL is locked out from any transactions until NWA gets hitched.

Nu

 

[spacecadet1]

Cool, I can staple myself to myself.

Another airline rumor, must be true !?!

Now that's funny. Nothing like self abuse.

 

[johnsonrod]

I can't think of two airlines that have more overlap.

Houton-Dallas

Chicago-Cleveland

Newark-New York

This is absolutely the reason why you will NEVER see an AA/CAL combination. Complete hub overlap. DAL/NWA has very little hub overlap (although MEM/CVG is a bit close). Plus, with AA's huge debt load and super-old MD80 fleet, why would CAL ever want to get involved with that? Highly doubt it.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Apparently Larry Kellner was seen in Miami at the old Eastern Air Lines building. An AA mechanic's neighbor told me.

 

[roughneck]

CAL is locked out from any transactions until NWA gets hitched.

NWA can waive that at any time. The NWA management is in a corner. Merge or risk death in the future. $110 oil will kill us all if we don't think outside the box. They may encourage CAL to pursue a merger in order to wake up the NWA pilot group.

NWA managemet WILL merge eventually with or without the pilots onboard. This may be the way to force the pilot group to get realistic.

 

[pipe]

Hearing rumors of a possible AA/CAL combination. I wonder how that would play out...
stay tuned.

It would play out with the AA pilot group completely sodomizing the CAL pilot group. Isn't that how it always plays out?

PIPE

 

[MCDU]

Yeah, thats because CAL is ALPA.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

seems more likely CAL is talking to AA in order to get UAL to up their offer. AA's west coast ops, particularly at LAX, are not large enough for CAL to take it seriously. CAL wants more gates at LAX, and merging with AA or even Alaska wouldn't give them the edge they'd need.

 

[Uniform Shop]

It would play out with the AA pilot group completely sodomizing the CAL pilot group. Isn't that how it always plays out?

That's how it has always been done in the PAST but the new law prevents them from doing it again. It is forced to binding arbitration now if a deal can't be agreed upon. There is no way an arbitrator is going to justify taking an airline like CAL that has been growing and that has 111 airplanes on order and staple the pilots to the bottom of the list.

Let's hope this doesn't happen because there would be massive layoffs.

 

[aa73]

Exactly, Uniform Shop. I don't know why folks keep thinking that APA can still call the shots... under the new law, all mergers with over 49% equity fall under binding arbitration.

CAL pilots... you looked great yesterday on Wall St! It was a pleasure picketing with "youse guys." I was told over 480 pilots showed up.... nice unity!

73
APA fellow picketer

 

[pipe]

I didn't mean sodomize in a figurative, seniority-type way -- I meant that the AA pilots will actually sodomize them while going to binding arbitration per the law.imp:

So actually, I will have to staple the CAL pilots above myself and all of the Eagle flowthroughs which should take my furlough to at least 20 years.

PIPE