A tough choice... ASA or Eagle

[Smacktard]

Chicago

I don't know much about Eagle, but as far as ASA is concerned here are a few points. We started service to Midway, so you'd have that as an option for commuting (which means you get priority on the js) as well as the regular Delta, United stuff out of O'Hare. If you don't get Chicago right off the bat with Eagle then all things are equal on that front. I don't think a commute to ATL from Chicago would be too terrible.

I think pay is pretty close between the two. ASA pays from day one. Folks are getting off reserve within a month or two. People are leaving so you'd move up to a commutable line quickly.

The people, equipment etc are good. Yeah we all b!tch about managment, and they do seem to be putting it to us nicely, but that's part of the deal. There are a vocal few here who think we've got it so bad. Having seen things at other 'lower quality' carriers, I tend to disagree.

The main beef I have with this managment group is that they give us little cards with our vision on it, and tell us we're a happy team, yet treat us like we're the problem. With a little give on their iron fisted tactics (see this thread for definition on fist(http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=58077&highlight=fist) they could turn 1700 pilots into a highly motivated workforce that would go to extremes to save cash on fuel etc, but they don't. They have figured out somehow that we save more money by treating everyone like crap.

As for the local help, ie rampers etc, what do you expect, this is Atlanta, the talent pool isn't so...talented.

All other things aside, it's a good airline, and Delta benefits are better than most (if they last). As far as the advice on trying to pick the stronger of American and Delta, it's a crap shoot. Good luck...

 

[tom_rob]

Or you could just stay where your at....

Tom

 

[English]

I'm not sure why it hasn't been mentioned....but...

Go to Eagle. Successfully complete training. Update your resume and send it to SkyWest. THEN you'll get hired where you want to be. Trust me, Eagle is a ripe training ground for SkyWest.

 

[hotwings402]

How can you be on reserve for a month when ASA is calling people on their off days and canceling flights? Please explain this.

 

[Smacktard]

How can you be on reserve for a month when ASA is calling people on their off days and canceling flights? Please explain this.

Calling people on their days off for low coverage doesn't have anything to do with the number of people on reserve. As the planes keep coming in (new ones) the number of lines increase. If the number of pilots stays the same, which it has nearly done (departing pilots vs new hires), the fewer the number of people at the bottom end. If there are 400 lines for FOs and there are 470 FOs, the bottom 70 are on reserve. If the number of lines increase to 500 but still only 470 FOs, all 470 FOs get lines and there are no reserves...hey wait a minute, this isn't hypothetical, this is really happening!

 

[sweptback]

I really have no opinion to add about where you should go, but just keep in mind that if you don't get ORD out of training at Eagle you will have to do a hub-to-hub commute. At any carrier that would not be fun.

The good thing about commuting to Atlanta is that you have a lot of options. Both airports have non-stop service to ATL from about 4 different airlines. There's also a handful of airports within a couple hours' drive in a pinch, too.

 

[patriot88]

I am in the same situation and trying to figure it out...I have a 1 hour commute to ATL and 2 hour commute to DFW...leaving QOL aside as that is so individual for me it boils down to the following:

1. If the status quo for both prevails, ASA is a better place

2. ASA get's screwed by some sale or shakeup as a result of Delta's probelems...eagle

3. if AA starts hiring the back the flowbacks, Eagle looks better to me

4. if ASA gets a contract in place and Delta hangs on to them, ASA is the choice...

now if someone would just give me a crystal ball I would be all set with my decision....2 weeks to decide!

 

[Big Paps]

Go with asa

 

[146guy]

You don't want to commute to reserve at ASA, you don't want to commute period. Ask any commuter.

Then again, you don't want to sit in the right seat of an ERJ until you're 60 either, even if it is in ORD.

tough call.... i would go with ASA and hope for a quicker upgrade.

 

[patriot88]

so what do all of you experts think is more likely to happen:

1. American call back it's flowbacks and Eagle upgrades drop below a decade?

or

2. ASA life changes drastically from a sale or a horrilble contract rammed by Delta, Skyw or xxxx company?

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Dude, go Eagle.

Avoid commuting at all costs. If you get the jet other than Chicago I can almost guaratee you that you will be able to transfer to it before you finish training. Its all about quality of life.

Upgrade time is a fluid variable. It may be x at the present time but by the time you get there It will not be the same. **DO NOT COMMUTE**

 

[Stifler's Mom]

...Eagle has a base where I want to live (friends, family, girlfriend, etc.)...

By all means go where the girlfriend is. What could possibly go wrong with basing a career choice on a piece of tail?

Good luck.

 

[701EV]

By all means go where the girlfriend is. What could possibly go wrong with basing a career choice on a piece of tail?

Good luck.

A career choice based on a piece of tail!

Now that was funny!

LMAO

701EV

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Stiffler, maybe you're right. With that in mind, who has the better looking flight attendants? hehe

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Stiffler, maybe you're right. With that in mind, who has the better looking flight attendants? hehe

No comment.

 

[NRHPilot]

At this point it is really a roll of the dice. When I was hired at Eagle upgrades were running under two years. But that was March 2000 and the world changed 18 months after that. As you know upgraded time is always a moving target. You can't go to a company thinking that when you get hired upgraded time will be the same for you as the guys who are upgrading currently. On the July 27th bid award,the junior LA captain SAAB was a 7/12/99 new hire. You probably have a good chance at getting ORD out of class in the CRJ for Eagle. It is very junior there. Since we don't FO pay based on seats, most of the more senior guys are on the EMJ.
I know guys that have left Eagle and went to ASA. They had only a year or so at Eagle but were after the quick upgrade on the Brassilla a few years ago. One even went there, didn't upgrade and got hired at AirTran and is now a Captain on the 717. Again a roll of the dice. I think both companies are about on par for work rules and ASA might pay a little better I guess. Good luck, if you have any questions PM me.

 

[belchfire]

Burt,

You have got to be frelling and fracking kidding
me. ASA or the Hitler Youth? Geeze! I get better
treatment begging a ride on any of the DAL associates
than I do paying for a pass on my code-share partner!
Oh yeah, the officious gsa's that tell me I can't buy a
pass, or won't take the time to look up how to do it,
or try to put a mainline guy on in the jumpseat ahead
of a connection pilot on a connection airplane?
Oh yeah, they can override it, but they always fix
it so that their non-revs get all of those "SSSSSSS"
thingies on the bottom of the boarding pass so that
the TSA can pick on you instead of the guy with the
towel around his head! Even if you have followed the
rules and listed for the trip 7 days in advance!

Like the adds say, "Ve have vays of making you
fly"...or something like that!

I have friends at both commair and asa...they are
happy.

I know people that have left aviation because their
only experience was with eagle.

Anywhere you choose to go in aviation is a crap-shoot,
and AA isn't all that healthy...

good luck

 

[labbats]

What does flying for American Connection have to do with Eagle?

I fly for Eagle and I never have any problems jumpseating. My family is also pretty happy with the non-rev travelling they can do starting from my date of hire.

I'm not going to tell you to go to ASA or Eagle, because I don't have a crystal ball. But be happy that it's not 2003 anymore or your options would be to keep instructing for another year or beg your way into night freight.

 

[Biatch5]

I have been offered class dates at both airlines so I thought that I'd throw this out there for some opinions. Eagle has a base where I want to live (friends, family, girlfriend, etc.), but then there's the upgrade or lack thereof. ASA would upgrade quicker (I think), but I'd have to live in Atlanta or commute, which by all accounts sucks.

I'm leaning toward Eagle, but then again...

simple None of the above

 

[410dude]

simple None of the above

Agreed, there are much better regionals to chose from.