A.T.I. Pilots vote down Mgmnt's "Final Offer"

[DwayneWorthless]

D'Angelo the intern is about to get his low time butt fired. My car has water spots. I told you to wipe it dry, but you could have used some of that hot air you blow to dry it quicker. ALPA is a strong union. Without representation, you'd have nothing. Try and enforce work rules without a contract. Ask SkyWest pilots how their management hosed them on pay issues.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo the intern is about to get his low time butt fired. My car has water spots. I told you to wipe it dry, but you could have used some of that hot air you blow to dry it quicker. ALPA is a strong union. Without representation, you'd have nothing. Try and enforce work rules without a contract. Ask SkyWest pilots how their management hosed them on pay issues.

hmmmm being competitive and growing? yea thats really getting hosed Dr Phil! On a side note in stead of all your dues are belong to me it should really be all your mustaches are belong to me.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

hmmmm being competitive and growing? yea thats really getting hosed Dr Phil! On a side note in stead of all your dues are belong to me it should really be all your mustaches are belong to me.

Sure competitive and growing with 50-99 seat rates. Heck, MESA is competitive and growing too. Your anti union bashing is getting old. Come up with a solution to help protect the pilots from management. If you can put your bashing aside for 15 minutes, you could probably come up with something. Until then, wax on wax off. Chop chop D'Angelo.

 

[D'Angelo]

Sure competitive and growing with 50-99 seat rates. Heck, MESA is competitive and growing too. Your anti union bashing is getting old. Come up with a solution to help protect the pilots from management. If you can put your bashing aside for 15 minutes, you could probably come up with something. Until then, wax on wax off. Chop chop D'Angelo.

Who cares about the same rate. at continental 737-800 and 757 guys fly for the same rate. Besides here at comair the paycut makes us competitive and the rates are right around skywests. The pilots should be paid based on # of seats argument is old and stale. How about paying pilots based on productivity. My solution is getting rid of ALPA and going in house or something. ALPA obviously has a conflict of interest. Tell me this, what solutions do you have to offer the pilots for the problems of today? Your pretty picket signs dont appear to be working anymore. Do you have any new ideas? BTW your fee per departure task force is about 10 years too late. Another side effect of having no vision. Sorry dwaney your gonna have to find someone else to wax the car you bought with other peoples dues. For crying out loud man trim that stache and those nose hairs!! It would be nice to let some guys into national that don't have a stache too.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

First, I don't believe for a minute that you are really a Comair pilot. Second, your views are foolishly blind towards management. Perhaps you need to step away from the company koolaid pitcher. Besides, your breath smells of Fred Butrell's rear end.

 

[Ty Webb]

You guys are killing me, but my money is definitely on Duane.

Unfortunately, he's better on the board than in real life . . . and the resemblance to a well-known pompous TV windbag is startling.


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[JP4user]

You guys are killing me, but my money is definitely on Duane.

Unfortunately, he's better on the board than in real life . . . and the resemblance to a well-known pompous TV windbag is startling.


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Rez is doing tv shows now?

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Thanks Ty. I know ALPA has not been the Greatest rep for Regionals over the years, but Management will walk all over you if you have no protection. D'Angelo seems to believe that Management will honor all agreements and ALPA steals money from hard working pilots.

I do believe that D'Angelo works for Comair. I also believe he is some flunky intern working in some VP's office and having a big laugh every time he post some anti ALPA message.

By the way Ty, you look alot like Jimmy Buffet. I'd love to eat a cheeseburger in paradise and drink a few beers at five o'clock somewhere.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Don't worry about D'Angelo. He chooses to ignore posts he can't respond to, like when I got him to admit the only reason he stayed in this business was because of ALPA.

 

[Ty Webb]

I do believe that D'Angelo works for Comair. I also believe he is some flunky intern working in some VP's office and having a big laugh every time he post some anti ALPA message.

I'll bet he's an intern, too, and carries a flight case to work with nothing in it but a notebook, a pen, an Econ book (never read) and a pair of kneepads.

A weak mind like his is the most easily brainwashed, and, brother, they not only washed it, but shrink-wrapped it, too.

By the way Ty, you look alot like Jimmy Buffet. I'd love to eat a cheeseburger in paradise and drink a few beers at five o'clock somewhere.

Well, Ty Webb looks like Jimmy Buffet used to . . . . Jimmy, well, now he looks kind of like ol' Duane. . . . . but Jimmy's sister Lucy makes a pretty good burger, and it comes with cold beer . . . . if you can find her place, I'll buy the beer . . . I'll give you a hint: it's not too far from the Florabama. :beer:

Sounds like the first annual flightinfo.com beer bust . . . .

 

[cmrflyer]

It's time for you to study up on your union law. "Good faith" simply means that the company (or the union) actually is willing to negotiate instead of to demand. That is a legal requirement under law. As soon as they move from negotiation to demanding, then it's ok to self-help (look it up).

It's usually not appropriate to even use the words "final" or "last offer", that is often taken by the courts to be not negotiating in good faith.

You sound like an idiot, by the way.

Dude, you are spot on, this clown is mgt. Either that or he needs a good kick in the head to clear that cloud of crack between his ears.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Dude, you are spot on, this clown is mgt. Either that or he needs a good kick in the head to clear that cloud of crack between his ears.

The only "SelfHelp" that Duh-Anglo understands is choking his chicken.

Scary to think that there are actually idiots out there that believe stuff like this. He's not a pilot . . . . sounds more like a battered spouse on Jerry Springer sobbing into his can of Pabst.


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[D'Angelo]

Dude, you are spot on, this clown is mgt. Either that or he needs a good kick in the head to clear that cloud of crack between his ears.

Too much credit. Just a line pilot at comair at war to save my job. You should really be putting this energy into doing the same. Face it the paycuts were voted for by the majority. Once the F/As are dealt with we will be on the road to success! Comair will rise once again!

 

[stonewall]

Too much credit. Just a line pilot at comair at war to save my job. You should really be putting this energy into doing the same. Face it the paycuts were voted for by the majority. Once the F/As are dealt with we will be on the road to success! Comair will rise once again!

Paycut to save your job at freakin' Comair? D'Angelo, if you have a college degree you can get certified as a public school teacher in the ATL and make more money now. Why are you in this fight? Save Comair so you can build time to get to a major? Then get the fat payday? Not gonna happen....thanks to guys taking paycuts to save their jobs at Comair.

I'm sure I'm oversimplifying and gonna get flamed, but I'm into to whiskey and into simplifying right now. Chop away, D'angelo, chop away.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

D'Angelo is NOT a line pilot at Comair. He is a management/intern CLOWN that plays on the internet to stir the pilots.
Pay cuts to save jobs?uke: What logic is that when the company is making money? Don't give me that DAL is losing crap, we are talking CMR. You took a pay cut to grow and have not grown. You fell on your sword for nothing. But, I'm really not including you am I? Because you are really some flunky in an office playing on the computer and laughing it up with Uncle Freddie.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo is NOT a line pilot at Comair. He is a management/intern CLOWN that plays on the internet to stir the pilots.
Pay cuts to save jobs?uke: What logic is that when the company is making money? Don't give me that DAL is losing crap, we are talking CMR. You took a pay cut to grow and have not grown. You fell on your sword for nothing. But, I'm really not including you am I? Because you are really some flunky in an office playing on the computer and laughing it up with Uncle Freddie.

Ummm yea paycuts havent taken place yet dwaney boy. We just waitin to deal with the flight attendants. Once they are dealt with the pay cuts are alive and comair will thrive. Why is everyone that disagrees with your ALPO dog food propoganda management? So I think pilots are whiny and far too demanding so what. Just because one is stupid enough to go way into debt to get into this career doesn't mean they are entitled to a large paycheck. I did not go into debt to get to comair, I paid as I went and therefore have no debt. This is how im able to live things up even on FO pay. Once the F/A get their paycut we all get our paycut then we start the healing process. BTW comair was losing money. Delta OWNS us and they were losing money. If delta loses money we lose money. Actually falling on our sword would have entailed chanting and making pretty picket signs saying full pay til the last day. Id rather take a small cut than a 100% cut and start all over again. That is what boggles my mind. You have guys so brainwashed theyd rather start all over taking a much larger paycut just so your senior buddies can make the big payday. Now go shave your mustache!

 

[DwayneWorthless]

D'Angelo is Managements Dream

Comair Continues to Set New Passenger Records; Reports July Traffic

CINCINNATI, Aug. 16, 2004 – Delta Connection carrier Comair, a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) carried 1,152,648 passengers in July 2004, setting a new airline record. The previous record was 1,146,049, set in June 2004
*www.delta.com


Losing money? I don't think so. Your parent company DAL was mismanaged and losing cash. They wanted protection under BK so they could force pay cuts on labor. (I think DAL pilots took it in the shorts and gave too much away.) CMR was very profitable and management jumped on the "Bandwagon" with labor paycuts. By the way, the F/A's have major balls and told management to "stuff it".

 

[D'Angelo]

Comair Continues to Set New Passenger Records; Reports July Traffic

CINCINNATI, Aug. 16, 2004 – Delta Connection carrier Comair, a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) carried 1,152,648 passengers in July 2004, setting a new airline record. The previous record was 1,146,049, set in June 2004
*www.delta.com


Losing money? I don't think so. Your parent company DAL was mismanaged and losing cash. They wanted protection under BK so they could force pay cuts on labor. (I think DAL pilots took it in the shorts and gave too much away.) CMR was very profitable and management jumped on the "Bandwagon" with labor paycuts. By the way, the F/A's have major balls and told management to "stuff it".

in case you didn't notice that article is two years old. How can we be "wildy profitable" if the mama who feeds us is losing money like there is no tomorrow. The ONLY reason regionals are profitable is because of mainline. As mainline goes so goes the regionals. thats life. Thats the unfortunate reality of being 100% reliant on that fee per departure. Your post shows the exact problem with ALPA. Living in the past. Maybe in the past we were profitable. As it stands now we are not. Living in the past fixes nothing. It's time for ALPA to have some vision and actually think more than a couple days ahead.

 

[PCL_128]

You have no idea whether you are profitable or not because Delta isn't required to report specific financial information on Comair. You could have a 30% profit margin, or a huge loss; you simply have no idea. To say that you should have taken concessions because Comair is losing money is absurd.

 

[D'Angelo]

You have no idea whether you are profitable or not because Delta isn't required to report specific financial information on Comair. You could have a 30% profit margin, or a huge loss; you simply have no idea. To say that you should have taken concessions because Comair is losing money is absurd.

to goto the unemployment line instead of take a small paycut is whats absurd. I know you don't have to worry though you have a 1900 captain slot waiting for you at gulfstream in case you ever get furloughed.

 

[Ty Webb]

It's time for ALPA to have some vision and actually think more than a couple days ahead.

This is too funny, coming from a boot-lickin' management's ass-sniffing little sycophant like yourself. You need to pull your head out of your @ss with a great big popping sound and look around you. If you want to be a pilot, be a pilot (sounds like a hell of a stretch to me). If you want to be management, then buy a yes-man suit and a lobotomy and get the hell off of this message board. You have squandered your posing privileges.



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[pilotyip]

Ty remember none of the airline pilots would have a job without management, FAA mandates in Part 119.

 

[D'Angelo]

Ty remember none of the airline pilots would have a job without management, FAA mandates in Part 119.

but now your talking logic! we cant have that here. According to the winners on this board all pilots could manage any airline much better than anyone. My guess you let pilots manage an airline itd be chapter 7 in no time

 

[instructordude]

D'Angelo,

I have been reading your posts and have to agree that being employed is better than unemployed. I guess some folks don't have a clue or haven't been dropped on their head yet. I have recently been offered a job with a regional, albeit most folks look down on us, and am exicited as all could be. Am I getting paid the big bucks? No, but I am flying a state of the art jet and building real time for down the road. I don't mind doing it for the pay they will give me and if(management) needed some payback I would be willing to give it. It is a small price to pay for the chance to fly around the country first class (Flying a JET BABY!!!) and get paid. I will admit I don't know anything about unions though but am more willing to trust managment. They are after all the ones that hired me.

 

[Dizel8]

No, but I am flying a state of the art jet and building real time for down the road.

Sorry Bubba, but "down the road" will not amount to much if D'umbass is any indication of the future.

 

[D'Angelo]

Sorry Bubba, but "down the road" will not amount to much if D'umbass is any indication of the future.

Sure it will. Im livin it up with the lady in the NYC with a combined income of over 100k/year. You tards are so one track minded you don't realize this isn't 1950 anymore. Your wife doesnt have to be a stay at home mom with dinner on the table. No wonder pilots are always in money trouble. They are too stupid to realize that they can pay as they go instead of just getting one huge loan then crying when they are in debt. Then they think they have to be the sole bread winners. thank god pilots arent in management. Oh sorry to disappoint you. I know you want me to be in poverty crying about the plight of pilots everywhere. Sorry I simply speak the truth BOI!

 

[rtmcfi]

This message is hidden because D'Angelo is on your ignore list.
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[Dizel8]

Im livin it up with the lady in the NYC with a combined income of over 100k/year.

Wow, a 100K between the two of you and to boot, you are living it up in NY!

If both of you became managers at the MickeyD's it should be a raise, you might want to consider it as opposed to flying!

 

[D'Angelo]

Wow, a 100K between the two of you and to boot, you are living it up in NY!

If both of you became managers at the MickeyD's it should be a raise, you might want to consider it as opposed to flying!

ummm yea you need to check your facts. At MickeyD's a manager averages around 30k/year and they have to work a lot more. 100k is plenty. Nice condo, good steak and lobster dinners, fine liquor. What else can one need. We are truly livin it up and don't have to work nearly as much. I know in fantasy land though pilots are the poorest people of them all. They make less than everyone out there poor things. :sarcasm:

 

[JP4user]

Sure it will. Im livin it up with the lady in the NYC with a combined income of over 100k/year.

Did your insurance cover the sex change operation for him to her?