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[328dude]

The FAA will not get copies of training records for PRIA purposes. All training records are kept with the carrier. Nor do they get copies of HR records. Carriers are required to fwd. records to the requesting carrier if all conditions as outlined in the AC are met. To further educate yourself read the most current AC on this. Please stop scaring other pilots unless you know what you are talking about.

Ok, fair enough. So I read it, and I agree, the FAA does not get the training records directly, but with the PRIA requests, the previous carrier is obligated to submit the records (last 5 years) including disciplanary and terminiation/resignations and the reasons.

So are you suggesting they lie about it?

 

[TheInsider]

Ok, fair enough. So I read it, and I agree, the FAA does not get the training records directly, but with the PRIA requests, the previous carrier is obligated to submit the records (last 5 years) including disciplanary and terminiation/resignations and the reasons.

So are you suggesting they lie about it?

Lying is never a good idea. They should simply contact the carrier and ask what their personnel records say.

Here's some real good info:

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) recently released an Advisory Circular clarifying which termination records must be released under the Pilot Records Improvement Act (PRIA). According to the new AC, all termination records must be released, regardless of whether those records relate to pilot competency. See AC No. 120-68D, Advisory Circular, Pilot Records Improvement Act of 1996, 11/07/07, located HERE.
The recent opinion reflects a change in the FAA’s position on this issue. Previously, the agency stated that PRIA only requires the release of termination documents that relate to a pilot's competency.
Under PRIA, before a newly hired pilot is placed into service, the hiring employer (if it is a U.S. air carrier under Part 121 or 135 or a U.S. air operator under Part 125) must obtain and review the last five years of the pilot’s background and other safety-related records from, among others, the pilot’s current and previous employers.
Records that must be provided include:

1. Initial and recurrent training records;
2. Records concerning qualifications, proficiency, or professional competence of the individual, including comments and evaluations made by a check airman. For example, documents that show the individual’s qualifications as instructor/evaluator, check airman, or examiner; and records of the individual’s proficiency checks (recurring checks for captain, first officer, or line checks);
3. Records of any disciplinary action(s) that were not subsequently overturned, if these disciplinary actions pertained to the individual’s performance as a pilot;
4. Any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification of the individual with respect to employment.
Disciplinary Actions that Resulted in Termination of Employment: The new AC states that covered employers must report any disciplinary actions that played any role in the pilot’s termination or release from employment.
Disciplinary Actions Involving Pilot’s Performance: However, an employer is required to report disciplinary actions unrelated to a pilot’s termination or release from employment only if the actions involved the individual’s performance as a pilot and have not been subsequently overturned. Employers should not report other employment-related disciplinary actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s aeronautical duties and did not result in discharge or termination.



Note: I am still confused as to what can be considered "disciplinary action" other than release from employment (fired). I know what it probably is but wish that the AC could be more specific.

 

[Crash Pad]

I was in a class that got a copy of a test a day early. So what does everybody do... I know the drill and pull an 88%... the rest of the class got a 100%.

Instructor says "looks like the test has gotten out we have to change it"

The point is. Pilots are not very good at this. I'm not saying we are dumb as a group but maybe lacking in street smarts.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Yeah, because a group of pilots who studied and answered the questions correctly obviously can't happen!

 

[motch]

If you did not cheat, but were fired along with everyone else.. you need to hire a lawyer.

You need to get your name cleared because this could have serious repercussions later down the road.

As someone earlier stated, almost sounds like the company fired instead of furloughing.

Always
Motch

PS> A lawyer may be expensive, but if a few do it together.. still cheaper than the possible consequences in the long run.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Good for them. I hate cheaters. I bet they were "RJ bridge" pilots too.

 

[Stiffler]

You don't ruin a bunch of pilots careers to save money.

You sure do if you are in airline management. It's rule number 1 in airline management.

 

[LoveGun]

It's PSgAy. I'm sure management was in the right on this one. There couldn't possibly be another side to this story.

On the other hand... PSA hires so many degenerates that it's not hard to imagine an entire class deserved to be fired.

Going on a four day trip at PSA is a lot like the scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest where they escape from the asylum and ride around in a boat all day.

 

[328dude]

Good luck Gun. Tell Clarky Hi.

 

[ToiletDuck]

There was a dumb ass in my class that actually told the instructor we all had copies of the test. He was trying to be cool but is the biggest tool I've ever known. The copy of the test is a joke anyway. Just read the damn book. Wasn't that hard. I made a 92 or something and didn't even both with it.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

It speaks volumes of someones character who cheats. I'm no angel when it comes to other things, but to cheat on a test truly means you're either unqualified or unable to study and retain the material. Pathetic.

Maybe because I always had some pride and always worked hard when it came to college and airplanes. Not that it matters, but every written from Private to ATP I had either a few 100%'s or nothing below a 98%. Never failed a checkride either. In fact, was always told I flew well at the end of my rides. Always made sure I was up on my game. You see, maybe it's an insecurity thing, but I always wanted to know the material well (if not better than the others) and enjoyed helping out others when it came time to study. Made retaining and understanding much more concrete too.

 

[Crash Pad]

If I had your brain pan I would have gone into law or become a doctor.

 

[TheInsider]

§ 61.37 Knowledge tests: Cheating or other unauthorized conduct.

(a) An applicant for a knowledge test may not:
(1) Copy or intentionally remove any knowledge test;
(2) Give to another applicant or receive from another applicant any part or copy of a knowledge test;
(3) Give assistance on, or receive assistance on, a knowledge test during the period that test is being given;
(4) Take any part of a knowledge test on behalf of another person;
(5) Be represented by, or represent, another person for a knowledge test;
(6) Use any material or aid during the period that the test is being given, unless specifically authorized to do so by the Administrator; and
(7) Intentionally cause, assist, or participate in any act prohibited by this paragraph.
(b) An applicant who the Administrator finds has committed an act prohibited by paragraph (a) of this section is prohibited, for 1 year after the date of committing that act, from:
(1) Applying for any certificate, rating, or authorization issued under this chapter; and
(2) Applying for and taking any test under this chapter.
(c) Any certificate or rating held by an applicant may be suspended or revoked if the Administrator finds that person has committed an act prohibited by paragraph (a) of this section.



If they in fact cheated (with proof of that) they should be glad that the FAA didn't get involved.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

If I had your brain pan I would have gone into law or become a doctor.

Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but I actually picked up the LSAT study guide right after college. After perusing through the material and thinking hard about being an attorney, I returned it a few days later to the book store and pursued my flight certificates. No regrets.

I know it's cliche, but you really are only cheating yourself in life.

 

[mu2]

You have got to be kidding me! Who cares if you have the test questions. Piedmont gives us the question bank before CQ every year. The questions are right on our website under the training tab. So who gives a rats crapper if you have the questions?