A little pro-ALPA Koolaid for ya

[GogglesPisano]

and ALPA won't let that happen.

And how will ALPA stop it?

 

[buscap]

While this certainly was not the intended direction of this thread, I would submit that the views of the Delta pilots expressed on this board lead me to believe they can just go F themselves.

Jeeze-and Louise guys!! We are flying under scope you guys wanted or at least were willing to trade for. If you hadn't crapped this big fat turd, there would be more jobs at your freakin-armpit of a three-breasted-idiot-suit-flying club for us. We wouldn't have been stuck here in the first place if you morons hadn't allowed-no let's call it demanded- our existence.

But nooooooo!!!!! I can't just hear how it went!!!! You wanted to make darn tooti'n sure there were 'real' narrow body jobs for your freakin Navy/Marine buddies.

Wouldn't want those pooh-pooh ex-military types to be forced to fly a wittle prop plane!!! And Oh my not even those wittle jets are good enough for our buddies!!

So let's just let the company scope out that flying so we don't have to get our gold buttons soiled in those tiny wittle cockpits!!!! They'll never fly very many of them anyway!!!!

You guys made the monster and now you're mad because he killed the blind guy and tore off his brides head.

FU

But I'm not bitter!!!!

 

[79%N1]

. We should not be negotiating anything other than a staple with flow down IN SENIORITY or nothing. Any sub that wants to deal gets on board and those that don't, TFB. Actually the corporation would be better off shifting the flying to one of the more junior feeders(such as compass) which would, at least short term save a ton of money. I am sure other than one or two the compass pilots would be greatful for the lottory ticket we just offered up. Guys like Joe and the N# dip******************** are part of the group that overplayed their perceived strength with their cute little rjdc band of homos.

Not saying you are wrong in your theory or opinion.....but, what you state shows clearly why ALPA is NOT a union of Airline Pilots, in any way, shape or form. That is not how a union works, where some are above others in the union. You may say TFB to that, but my point is just that. ALPA is not a union and certainly doesn't represent the interests of everybody that pays the same percentage in dues.

[/QUOTE].The mid to junior asa/cmr pilots need to rein the guys in quick. Possibly a blanket party.[/QUOTE]

This would be illegal, and the offenders would be charged with assault and battery. :laugh:

 

[buscap]

As a DAL N guy I never quite understood the animosity btw DAL and its subs. But now I am getting up to speed quickly. These ********************ing yahoos act like they are negotiating from a posistion of power. It is our scope that ALLOWS them to have a job. We should not be negotiating anything other than a staple with flow down IN SENIORITY or nothing. Any sub that wants to deal gets on board and those that don't, TFB. Actually the corporation would be better off shifting the flying to one of the more junior feeders(such as compass) which would, at least short term save a ton of money. I am sure other than one or two the compass pilots would be greatful for the lottory ticket we just offered up. Guys like Joe and the N# dip******************** are part of the group that overplayed their perceived strength with their cute little rjdc band of homos. Guess they did not learn their lesson. I feel the vocal minority at cmr/asa are going to screw things up again for the majority that would love to be stapled to the bottom of a company with 600+ retirements per year for the next 25 yrs vs. trying to interview against former military, other commuters, corporates etc..The mid to junior asa/cmr pilots need to rein the guys in quick. Possibly a blanket party.

And you can be the first one to pucker up and start making sink-drain noises!!!

Lumping ASA in with Comair!!?? After we made darn sure you guys got the best brake we could give during your furlough?? You compare us to Comair??

Pack it buddy!! Pack it, you worthless ungrateful moron!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The other DCI carriers will just have mainline go on top of them, but these two will have DAL guys go to the bottom of the list to sign off on this. makes me sick as it is one more way to sell off the delta job. Even you Joe thought about coming here last time. Do Not even say you did not think about it!

IMHO, this is going to be the deal that everyone appears to be working for, right up to the point you elect Lee in to Prater's job and then this deal and any notion of a bilateral flow will disappear. There is no way DAL will give away the keys to their hiring, no matter who says it can happen.
superboy triyng to get it done. I say help get Lee in to Pratter's job.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

It is real simple. Any carrier/group of pilots who want to fly Dal code agree to this or they lose their code and any aircraft that Dal holds the leases on. Shift those aircraft to the ones who want to play and the others to the desert. There are plenty of 50 seaters that need to be removed anyway.

The other DCI carriers will just have mainline go on top of them, but these two will have DAL guys go to the bottom of the list to sign off on this. makes me sick as it is one more way to sell off the delta job. Even you Joe thought about coming here last time. Do Not even say you did not think about it!

IMHO, this is going to be the deal that everyone appears to be working for, right up to the point you elect Lee in to Prater's job and then this deal and any notion of a bilateral flow will disappear. There is no way DAL will give away the keys to their hiring, no matter who says it can happen.
superboy triyng to get it done. I say help get Lee in to Pratter's job.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

While this certainly was not the intended direction of this thread, I would submit that the views of the Delta pilots expressed on this board lead me to believe they can just go F themselves.

Jeeze-and Louise guys!! We are flying under scope you guys wanted or at least were willing to trade for. If you hadn't crapped this big fat turd, there would be more jobs at your freakin-armpit of a three-breasted-idiot-suit-flying club for us. We wouldn't have been stuck here in the first place if you morons hadn't allowed-no let's call it demanded- our existence.
Does not matter if we traded for something. Your flying is an exception to OUR contract, not the other way around.
But nooooooo!!!!! I can't just hear how it went!!!! You wanted to make darn tooti'n sure there were 'real' narrow body jobs for your freakin Navy/Marine buddies.
I former commuter pilot and would have flogged my mule on main street for a staple when I was there.
Wouldn't want those pooh-pooh ex-military types to be forced to fly a wittle prop plane!!! And Oh my not even those wittle jets are good enough for our buddies!!
I would agree with you here if you were comparing apples to apples. But lets be real here. You know and I know a former military pilot is light years ahead of the typical commuter new hire fresh out of the puppy mill.
So let's just let the company scope out that flying so we don't have to get our gold buttons soiled in those tiny wittle cockpits!!!! They'll never fly very many of them anyway!!!!

You guys made the monster and now you're mad because he killed the blind guy and tore off his brides head.

FU
FU2
But I'm not bitter!!!!

You sure are.

 

[Raskal]

What's even more amusing is that either pilot group thinks it is negotiating from a position of power. That's what is ********************ing hysterical. Both the DCI pilots and the DAL pilots have all the leverage of a wet napkin-just like what is left of our "union". We are all reduced to making strong statements followed by a speech as to why we ended up supporting the very position we were against last week because it was "inevitable".

Management has the power, as has been displayed over and over again, and couldn't give a flying ******************** at a rolling doughnut on what the pilot's opinions are with regards to hiring. Pilots don't hire. Pilots don't negotiate contracts for feed. Pilots don't control flying with wholly-owned's or with the other 11 or 22 regionals that fly for DAL (whatever it is this week). Pilots control nothing and can't even agree on that without at least a 72 posts on FI, a resolution and 11 motions.

 

[buscap]

Well nanner nanner boo boo!!!

 

[InTransit]

Management lives for threads like this.

 

[buscap]

Yeah......

It started as a reality check about how.......

never freakin mind

Those guys drug me down with them!!! It's not my fault!!!

I swear I'm going to put me on my ignore list..........................

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not saying you are wrong in your theory or opinion.....but, what you state shows clearly why ALPA is NOT a union of Airline Pilots, in any way, shape or form. That is not how a union works, where some are above others in the union. You may say TFB to that, but my point is just that. ALPA is not a union and certainly doesn't represent the interests of everybody that pays the same percentage in dues.

That is correct sir.

A former ALPA National officer who was forced to leave ALPA addressed the USAPA crowd....

He stated that ALPA has been a federation.... perhaps like the 50 states. The decision for ALPA to function as a loose conglomerate of individual groups has been made and continues to be made...

But keep in mind... when the economy is growing... everyone seems to love the "federation" as we use each others industry leading contracts to get one up... Did anyone complain about UAL2000 and the ability for D-ALPA to get DAL2001?

So what happens during the anti-growth times? Say 9/11/2001 till 2007? [Or maybe it is ongoing....] Suddenly everyone wants ALPA to be a union that battens down the hatches, circles the wagons (with everyone within the circle....of course...) and makes sure that no one gets unfairly harmed...


Logic says we can't have it both ways... can we?


So right now, we want a union. ALPA to be a real union..... and protect all those who pay dues... DCI guys, Aloha, ATA, TWA, RJDC, etc...

But what happens when the economy grows again... do we switch back to the 'federation'? Can we? Have we considered what it would be like to be a union during the growth period? Would those who had economic growth at their companies be allowed to negotiate to the best of their ability and allow themselves a different economic gain (more) than others who could not? Would that be a union? Is a union where we ALL rise and fall together?

Would XYZ airline be content with being held back because they couldn't achieve more because fellow union brothers and sisters at ABC airline would be not included?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,
as it pertains to EV and OH, the double staple sounds like what you are going to get.

The way I see it, that is a win win for DCI. Staple to this list and your career expectations become far greater than they are today. If I staple to the bottom of your list, I get a job with no expectations.

Why would you be concerned where a Delta pilot comes onto the ASA or CMR list? According to YOU....Delta is going to hire thousands of pilots in the future and isn't going to furlough...What difference does it make then as to where they would go on our list?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Because, Joe, there is virtually no comparison between the two jobs. The pay and QOL are simply on a different level. I spent 6 years at ACA, 2 at World and 2 (so far at DL) and I can tell you this is a whole other ballgame. Every section of the contract (with the possible exception of sick time reserve utilization) is far superior at mainline.

If you think there is a comparison survey your fellow pilots and ask how many built time at Delta with the objective of applying to ASA.

There is "no comparison between the two jobs" eh? In that case, you got it really good then compared to me.....I'm starting vacation now...Second time I've turned 1 week into 5 weeks...In Sept., I'm going to work 6 days and still get a 75 hour guarantee.

You've been "chasing the dream"....I gave up and set roots here...We each made choices...I'm happy with mine and you're happy with yours...I don't want to work for Delta as hard as that is for you to understand....Why do you want to come here and bump me down if things don't work out for you?

The problem is, some of you think everyone had a deep desire to wear the double breasted coat...That simply isn't true.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Another reason for Delta pilots to pull out and go inhouse. We owe it to ourselves to represent Delta pilots, not regional pilots. The conflict of interest will get more apparent as regional pilots comprise an increasingly powerful and vocal part of ALPA national.

Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out....