A little different NJ question. NJA to NJE?

[OCP]

Can or has any one gotten hired at NJA and made a move to NJE? Is that even possible?

 

[greygoose]

Why not just apply to NJE? I have heard pay is much better, no taxes if you have it deposited in the right country. They do pay for your commute, but downfall is its on your time off also recurrent is on your time off.
Thats what I heard, take what you want from it.

 

[jtf]

It would be possible, but you would have a lot of things to do to make it happen. You would have to have European pilot licenses. You would have to have the right to work and live in Europe. You would also have to resign your position with NJA and lose all your seniority there. The company might also not be willing to hire you into NJE if you were still on seat lock since they would have to totally retrain you for NJE. I guess it is possible, but not probable. I haven't heard of any of the Europeans who work for NJA trying to transfer over.

NJE has different schedules than NJA. They don't do a 7 and 7- every schedule is more than 50 percent of your days at work. They got a good raise a year or two ago, but so did NJA. Taxes are typically much higher in Europe and many of the European countries are looking closer at the tax situation now that NJE has grown quite a bit and isn't under the radar any more. I have heard of no tax for some of them that work the system, but I wouldn't bet on that holding up. I think it would be nice to have some sort of exchange system for the pilot groups and I would love to spend some time working in Europe, but I don't bet on that.

 

[CALRepublic]

Why not just apply to NJE? I have heard pay is much better, no taxes if you have it deposited in the right country. They do pay for your commute, but downfall is its on your time off also recurrent is on your time off.
Thats what I heard, take what you want from it.

Pay is NOT better, they make more money, but if you take into account the cost of living in Europe, we come out on top. That's why many NJE guys still leave for the airlines.

Is it possible??? yeah everything possible. As long as you have a JAA ATPL, Medical and an European Passport, sure, why not. There's no transfering however, you'll have to apply, interview, get hired and start from the bottom.

 

[flyzimex]

A good friend of mine, from Europe, is a nine year captain at NJA and has for a couple of years considered making the move over to NJE. He has the JAR license and obviously the right to work in Europe. For the past two years he has been based in NY and been commuting weekly between the US and and Europe. It has worked pretty good for him due to his seniority and soon he will be in the 4 week/year vacation bracket which means he will be more off than on.

Now to the point. With his seniority it just doesn't make any sense, especially not after the new contract. Obviously the extremely low dollar is hurting him, but that goes up and down. As far as the salary it's no secret they make more over at NJE, but you can't just simply compare the numbers. Remember you will be spending euros while living in Europe, and you will only benefit if you one day move back to the US. By that time, not that I think it will happen, but then the dollar might be more valuable than the euro. Also the living cost is much higher in Europe than over here. A Big Mac meal cost me about $9 in Zurich, and that was last fall before the dollar really started to fall.

As far as taxes it's all very different than from a couple of years ago, and all depending on which country you reside in. The froggies (French) were screaming after the new contract since they were no longer able to get their pay tax free. Another friend of mine who is at NJE lives in a country in the top three in the world when it comes to taxes, and I would guess he is paying 50+% now.
The general breakdown tax wise, as I've been told. is that you pay about 6-8% in the UK where the contract is written (employment fee/tax), another 20% or so in Portugal where the company is based and finally up to the percentage you would have paid in the country where you reside. So if you live in a country where your total tax would have been 50 percent that would mean ~24% (6+20+24). Maybe not so clear, but my point is it's pretty much impossible getting away not paying any taxes at all now days.

As far as operational wise, even though NJE is catching up, things at NJA seem to be much more well organized. As the years go by I am sure things will improve, but remember it's Europe you are talking about and dealing with the European aviation authorities is usually pretty tricky. You will be dealing with people from different countries on a daily bases, and if that's new to you it can be pretty difficult and frustrating at first.

Lastly, in my opinion the potential for growth in Europe is smaller than in the US. Distances geographically are less, and the high speed train systems are becoming more and more popular over there.

Sorry for rambling on, but this is a case where there are so many things to consider before you would go ahead with this.

FZ

 

[CALRepublic]

A good friend of mine, from Europe, is a nine year captain at NJA and has for a couple of years considered making the move over to NJE. He has the JAR license and obviously the right to work in Europe. For the past two years he has been based in NY and been commuting weekly between the US and and Europe. It has worked pretty good for him due to his seniority and soon he will be in the 4 week/year vacation bracket which means he will be more off than on.



FZ

I know a guy from Spain, 8 year Captan at NJA. His wife wants to go back to Spain. He does not want to give up 8 years seniority at NJ, just to go back to Europe. Tough situation

 

[OCP]

Thanks for the replys. Right to work over there wouldn't be a problem, I was more just getting a feel for what you all thought.
I'm not even at NJA now, so at this point it doesn't matter anyway.

Thanks again!

 

[ozpilot]

I know a guy from Spain, 8 year Captan at NJA. His wife wants to go back to Spain. He does not want to give up 8 years seniority at NJ, just to go back to Europe. Tough situation

Why does he not change his base to Miami and then commute on Iberia from Spain? Sure hes going to have to buy his own tickets but if hes on the 7 & 7 hes only going to work twice a month. Also if hes been here 8 years he has three weeks of vacation plus at least another week for PTO so 4 months of the year he's only be going to work once.

All up I'd say he'd have to buy 22 tickets. Even if he paid $1000 a ticket thats $22,000 a year. As an 8 year Captain hes making around $130K a year. Not a high price to pay to keep both marital bliss and one of the best jobs in aviation.

 

[realityman]

r. As an 8 year Captain hes making around $130K a year. Not a high price to pay to keep both marital bliss and one of the best jobs in aviation.

What 7/7 payscale are you looking at? I'm on 12th year pay and my base is $127K.

 

[ozpilot]

What 7/7 payscale are you looking at? I'm on 12th year pay and my base is $127K.

Thats base pay. I included O/T. Without O/T his base would be $111K. While O/T is readily available at Netjets, its probably not a good idea to make financial decisions based upon earning it. My bad.