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A Few NetJets Questions?

CL604DRVR

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Could someone who is familiar with the language in the TA answer the following:

On home basing-- new hires hired after 11-21-05 will be based in the five domiciles. Will you be able to home base as you build seniority? If so what are the ratios for HB and non-HB

Both the 18 day flex and the 7 & 7 schedule have 1st year scales. Is there any reasonable chance that a junior pilot can get a 7 & 7 or did the TA limit the total number of each schedule types.

Is there any forum where non-employees can read the TA in its entirety

Thanks.

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CL604DRVR said:
Could someone who is familiar with the language in the TA answer the following:

On home basing-- new hires hired after 11-21-05 will be based in the five domiciles. Will you be able to home base as you build seniority? If so what are the ratios for HB and non-HB


Yes you will but it could be awhile in coming. Here's the section of the TA that lays it out.

13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation
The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority list, including crewmembers who have relinquished Home Base Airport rights pursuant to Section 13.2(b). Such percentage may be less than thirty (30) percent if crewmembers designate Domiciles, or more than thirty (30) percent because of grandfather rights as defined in Section 13.1(a).

If hired after ratification, a pilot would have to wait until the total number of pilots using the HBA system would drop below 30%. Seeing as how the entire current pilot force is grandfathered in, it could take some time to whittle down. I've heard that currently we have 30% of our pilots at one of the domiciles. That number would have to grow to 70% before a new hire could bid the HBA.

Both the 18 day flex and the 7 & 7 schedule have 1st year scales. Is there any reasonable chance that a junior pilot can get a 7 & 7 or did the TA limit the total number of each schedule types.
Honestly, who knows? I have no idea how popular the Reserve is going to be. I do know that if it is unpopular, it could take forever to get off it.

Is there any forum where non-employees can read the TA in its entirety

Not yet. I'll fire the Executive Board a note and ask them if they want us to put it up on the part of the site where anyone can see it. No promises though.
 

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CL604DRVR said:
Could someone who is familiar with the language in the TA answer the following:

On home basing-- new hires hired after 11-21-05 will be based in the five domiciles. Will you be able to home base as you build seniority? If so what are the ratios for HB and non-HB

Yes, new-hires after ratification can bid into HBA as their seniority allows. The company can limit participation to 30% of the pilots on the seniority list. All pilots on the seniority list are grandfathered and those grandfathred pilots who elect to use HBA count towards the 30% participation level.



Both the 18 day flex and the 7 & 7 schedule have 1st year scales. Is there any reasonable chance that a junior pilot can get a 7 & 7 or did the TA limit the total number of each schedule types.

The Reserve (18-day) schedule does pay more and has caps on participation at 10% min and 40% max. No one nows for sure if it will be filled with more senior guys looking for extra income or how many pilots will be forced into it. Schedules will be bid quarterly. And exit from the Reserve schedule is based on seniority, too.



Is there any forum where non-employees can read the TA in its entirety

Thanks.

604

I don't know where the TA is posted for persons who are not members of the union.

I hope that answers your questions. If not, PM me and I'll try to provide some answers for you.
 

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Thanks guys and congrats on what appears at least on the surface to be a pretty good deal. You guys raised the bar and now the rest of us look like midgets.
 

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I agree it is not great, but its a heck of a lot better than any of the competition.
 

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One more question. With the domiciles will you be assigned to cover more than one airport in the area or will you always report to PBI TEB ect. Example S. FL Flex crews must drive to any of the airports in the area MIA thru PBI with no duty time or mileage allotted for your extra drive.
 

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CL604DRVR said:
One more question. With the domiciles will you be assigned to cover more than one airport in the area or will you always report to PBI TEB ect. Example S. FL Flex crews must drive to any of the airports in the area MIA thru PBI with no duty time or mileage allotted for your extra drive.

The TA contains a provision requiring pilots assigned to a domicile to also select one airport from a list of "satellite" airports designated by the company. The satellite airport must be within 45 miles of the domicile and within 90 miles of your residence. If the company requires you to start a tour at the satellite, they must return to you the satellite airport. And they have to pay for parking if none is provided. At this time, there has been no list of satellite airports published.

The TA also requires that a new-hire be assigned a domicile in the official offer of employment, instead of finding out during indoc.
 

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Why are you complaining about $39k as first year pay? What do the other fracs start at? What do they end up at? You want your 6-figure 5 year pay, you can't start at $70k.

If you want to start at $50k, go to JetBlue.TC
 

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From what I understand the concerning post ratification new hires, the company will "assign" a domicile for all new hires and that will be part of the job offer. So you can live anywhere you wish but the company decides where you must be on day one. IE...you could live in MCO but DFW may be your domicile. Thats the sucky part for all new hires. You may have a move in your future if you come here.
 

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ghostrider64 said:
From what I understand the concerning post ratification new hires, the company will "assign" a domicile for all new hires and that will be part of the job offer. So you can live anywhere you wish but the company decides where you must be on day one. IE...you could live in MCO but DFW may be your domicile. Thats the sucky part for all new hires. You may have a move in your future if you come here.

Your understanding is correct. Section 13 (interesting choice on the number) does say that new-hires will be given their domicile assignment in their official employment offer. And like you said, new-hires can live wherever they want as long as they are in position at their domicile prior to duty.

It's rather like the current status quo.
 

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You'll be on the reserve pay scale during training and probably for a quarter or two afterwards unless you finish IOE just as bids for the next quarter are closing.
1st year reserve pay is $46.3K. We average 10% overtime & holiday pay so you should make over $50K if you can stay on reserve for a year. And my per diem (adjusted for the new rate) has averaged $570/month over the past 4 months. We usually don't have to buy many meals because of an excellent crew food program. And don't forget, Medical/Dental insurance is free.

No one knows how senior reserve will go. With up to 40% allowed initially I doubt we'll hit that cap but who knows.

Don't count on home basing anytime soon. With all pilots currently grandfathered and a max cap of 30%, my math shows we'll need to grow from 2200 to over 5000 pilots before any new hires get home basing. That's assuming around 70% of current pilots will use HBA and does not allow for attrition.

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Base assignment

For new hires.... my guess will be...
You come in for the interview, they offer an assignment, you dont like it and make a counter offer, like " Gee, I really want to come and work here but cannot take the LAX assignment, what else ya got? OR.. I cant work out of LAX but sure will go to DAL or CMH .. When do you think you will have one of those assignments available?

It may turn out to be sort of a pool for applicants. You get selected, and wait for some hot spot to turn you on and go to that area.

Not saying this is the way it will be .....just the way it could turn out.

We did that with aircraft assignments in years past where Pilots wanted a specific plane and were willing to wait for a class date in the future to get it.

They may continue that past practice when hiring picks up ( The CEO told us 120 more new hires this year, dont see how they are going to do it though) and a bunch next year. We will see....
 

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No kidding, man. With one less workday and the big increase in pay from the 7 and 7, I think reserve will be the schedule of choice for many.
 

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AirBear8 said:
You'll be on the reserve pay scale during training and probably for a quarter or two afterwards unless you finish IOE just as bids for the next quarter are closing.
That provision could make upgrades interesting, since some PIC openings may be passed up by folks based on timing of the bids. What I mean by that is because many will want to minimize their time on reserve, they may hold off on a bid in order to try for a more advantageous timeframe. Just a thought.
 

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acaTerry said:
No kidding, man. With one less workday and the big increase in pay from the 7 and 7, I think reserve will be the schedule of choice for many.

The reserve schedule is 18 days per month, per Section 19.3.

As for it being the schedule of choice, we'll see. I think it will go senior, but they can force junior pilots into it, per restrictions in the proposal.
 

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Guitar Guy said:
Your understanding is correct. Section 13 (interesting choice on the number) does say that new-hires will be given their domicile assignment in their official employment offer.


That's how it should be anyway, since you have to get to your domicile on your own.

This way, a potential new-hire can decide if they want to accept the offer or not, as opposed to having to quit during idoc after finding out they are required to move because of their domicile assingment.
 

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ultrarunner said:
That's how it should be anyway, since you have to get to your domicile on your own.

This way, a potential new-hire can decide if they want to accept the offer or not, as opposed to having to quit during idoc after finding out they are required to move because of their domicile assingment.

I agree. It's better to know that info up front instead of getting potentially blind-sided during training. It's also nice to know the fleet assignment, too, at the time of the offer.
 
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