A-330 Glider!! Flt 236

[apcooper]

At the moment on MSNBC they are having a documentary about the A-330 that had a double eng failure that glided into the Azores! Hope the media gets it straight!!

 

[Flying Illini]

It's been on the National Geographic channel several times and it's represented pretty well.
Pretty interesting that the flight crew was demoted for getting the plane in that situation, then promoted for landing safely.

One hell of a job dead-sticking that airplane...

 

[JetSpeed219]

Just watched that special yesterday, it was done pretty well, the crew did an excellent job from what was portrayed.

 

[GravityHater]

Just watched that special yesterday, it was done pretty well, the crew did an excellent job from what was portrayed.

I have watched it several times too.
Somebody (here?) said "What 'Great Job'? the tank was getting lower so they addressed ONLY the imbalance.........NOT the lowering quantity indication."
I think they were saying it seemed silly to pump remaining fuel into a tank that kept indicating lower. And "oh well, stupid electronic indicators".

Was this person (who posed this opinion) just practicing 20:20 retrospection? Or have most of us forgot basics of troubleshooting because of all the spoon-feeding we are getting?

I don't know. I don't second guess anyone. This is what I heard and want to learn from it.

 

[Yank McCobb]

I'm not practicing 20-20 "retrospection". I'm telling it like it is.

They d!cked up the procedure, plain and simple. It took superior airmanship to pull themselves and their passengers from a dire situation that their poor judgement and procedural knowledge put them into.

Hardly an "excellent job". It was an embarrasment. Fortunately, that's ALL it was.

By the way. Do a little research into this illustrious Captain's past. I wonder how he was even there in the first place.

 

[CaSyndrm]

I can't believe they still have a job...

 

[TriStar_drvr]

That's why 3 or 4 engines are better than 2 for crossing oceans. Even when the checklist calls for shutting down an engine, pilots are reluctant to shutdown an engine when it means they will only have one left....

Brad

 

[zbwmy]

I worked that TSC236 that night through Maine. I keep missing that show. What is the title of the program so I can TIVO it?

 

[TankerPuke]

By the way. Do a little research into this illustrious Captain's past. I wonder how he was even there in the first place.

Words...

PUKE

 

[CaSyndrm]

That's why 3 or 4 engines are better than 2 for crossing oceans. Even when the checklist calls for shutting down an engine, pilots are reluctant to shutdown an engine when it means they will only have one left....

Brad

I'm not sure more engines will help when there is no gas to feed them..

 

[garf12]

I worked that TSC236 that night through Maine. I keep missing that show. What is the title of the program so I can TIVO it?

Its seconds from disaster, but the show is about all different types of accidents from planes to trains, so it might be hard to catch.

The show that the original poster was talking about is different. It was on MSNBC and it was a show about divine intervention and only had about 15 minutes on this flight.

 

[Snakum]

Pretty interesting that the flight crew was demoted for getting the plane in that situation, then promoted for landing safely.

So it was a wash then?



Minhberg

 

[texflyguy]

the show i watched was like a 2 hour special on national geographic did anyone see the movie or special about the air canada A330 that they didnt know how to do metric conversions or something and gave the A330 a little less than half the fuel to get to their destination so they diverted to winnipeg? and the show that you guys are talking about is the Air Transat flight right?

 

[zbwmy]

the show i watched was like a 2 hour special on national geographic did anyone see the movie or special about the air canada A330 that they didnt know how to do metric conversions or something and gave the A330 a little less than half the fuel to get to their destination so they diverted to winnipeg? and the show that you guys are talking about is the Air Transat flight right?

Is that the Gimmly Glider one?

 

[Flying Illini]

Yeah, we're talking about the Air Transat flight.

And yes, it was a wash.
again, a serious breakdown on the flightdeck got them into the situation but superior airmanship is what got them out of it.

 

[bobs98tlr]

Can someone please break this Air Transat situation down for me. Ill look it up on the NTSB but what happend and why?

The Air Canada one was a 767 or an A330?

 

[apcooper]

The Gilimi Glider was a 767 and the Air Transat was an A-330. I do agree with the previous posts that the crew really did botch the emergency procedure. If they had done it correctly the worst thing would have been the single engine landing.

What would the best glide speed be for a 330 at a light weight? I'd guess no more than 200 KIAS but could easily be wrong. On microsoft flight sim I have flown the 777 up to FL 350 and deadsticked it right on the numbers into a number of virtual airports and I get about a 15 to 1 ratio! I'm sure that in the real world it would be totally different with your heart pumping and blood flowing like a pride of lions are running me down!!!!!