DS was replaced by JS, who came from Mesaba. The culture is changing. Quickly as a matter of fact, go roam the halls of the CEC if you don't believe me. We all need to accept this reality, and assimilate. The 9E that you seem to loathe in one hand, and threaten Mesaba guys with in the other, IS changing. On the bright side, for you, it will be for the better.
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What do the props have to do with this? The 900's all have multiple flashlights...granted, they suck, but they're there.
Then stay on your A/C. Better?
Everyone is paying for this merger. I agree, some more than others, but at this point all we can do is accept our individual positions and move on. EVERYONE has felt some pain with this, EVERYONE will experience changes from this. The pain your 4-5 FOs are feeling is no worse than the 4-5 year FOs after 9-11. How about a newhire at TWA? This industry is riddled with these stories. None of us had control over this. And the few that could have pushed it into a more fair integration, pushed that responsibility of on Bloch. In the end, you can make your life more miserable by complaining, or you can accept your newly fellow pilots as equals and move on from this. There are good people, and great pilots that are coming into this combined 9E. Expect changes for the better, don't fight them. There are better ways to do things than has been the status quo of 9E. This does not mean there were not good things at 9E in the past, but there are some areas and issues that could be better managed.
I can't apologize for any injustice you feel due to the ISL, I as most, had no control over it. But realize that everyone in this industry has a stagnation, bankruptcy, or merger story. A 4-5 year FO in 1999 was about halfway to upgrade. The upgrade times will go down again when the majors start hiring, until then make the best of your current situation.
Not at 9E. No yellow flashlights. They want you to bring your own. Your own headset too.
Since he's on the 900, that argument is quite flawed.
Deeper meaning here murph.
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Ahh, got it.
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SEVEN,
Sigh.....Bit*ching about a flashlight?! Dude are you really that much of a *************************ING a$$hole?! I forgot you once said that Mesaba was a prestige airline and that Delta would never part from mesaba. I can't wait until I find out who you are. You are going to bump 9E Fo's trying to upgrade and move on with there careers and your here complaining about headsets and flashlights. freaking lifer.
Sigh.....Bit*ching about a flashlight?! Dude are you really that much of a *************************ING a$$hole?! I forgot you once said that Mesaba was a prestige airline and that Delta would never part from mesaba. I can't wait until I find out who you are. You are going to bump 9E Fo's trying to upgrade and move on with there careers and your here complaining about headsets and flashlights. freaking lifer.
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Agreed, much deeper meaning, as of Dec. XJ won't have any airplanes. But XJ's airplanes always had them. They will have them on Dec 1st too. Now how do we as 9E pilots deal with this new equipment that is not listed in our CFM? See, change. How about the FMS position Xs and white needle/autotune calls that are required? These become quite superfluous when you fly the XJ airplanes with IRSs installed, which is why XJ didn't use/make them. Again, change.
The real question is why we are expected to purchase and lug around headsets and flashlights that are REQUIRED to do our job. If you get a job at Walmart as a cashier, are you required to purchase and lug around your own cash register? Of course not. The idea that 9E pilots have accepted these procedures is hard to digest when you have become accustomed to a company providing the items necessary for you to perform your job. The complaint is valid, doing it on a public forum, somewhat questionable.
Let's see. Your posting in a thread named "9E Flashlights" about "downgrade or furlough or a missed upgrade opportunity." Maybe I should have made 2 posts, but since it was to the same sender, I lumped it together.
To the missed opportunity... Welcome to the industry. We had no control over who was bought or purchased. We had little control over the integration. We are now on a list with fences, that will not be changed. This is our new reality. Time to stop complaining, and move on.
As to the flashlights... Good thing they don't tell me I need to bring my own aircraft. I had both flashlight and headset anyway, I just don't like the idea that I can be violated if my batteries don't meet the equivalency or I leave my headset at home by accident.
Yes but unlike those cases, you will have movement here out of seniority order. In all your mentioned cases, straight seniority was the golden rule. Now, our seniority really doesn't matter until you look at the conditions/restrictions. The fence (of no 9E pilots on Saab Captains for 5 years) theoretically means in the next five years, you could have a scenario of Colgan pilots being Captains pretty much direct entry while 9E pilots in the 4-5+ yr mark cannot hold Saab Captain. There's a stark difference.
Even on 11-09, I guarantee you will see (Colgan) pilots #2400-2600 holding Captain, even with their quota met, while Pinnacle pilots #1700-2100 are left as FOs.
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Never heard of the "Red Book" "Green Book" have you? Or DALs hailed integration. Both of those are out of seniority order, with fences. In fact Blochs decision, is considered the industry norm. Your on SLI committee even stated that. Everyone knew fences would be apart of any award, the terms and length were the only variables. We would have been better off to actually negotiate our own integration method and thus our own fates. Unfortunately, the negotiations were fill with a lot of ego, and a lack of actually wanting to negotiate.
The only choice now is to stay and accept your new position, or leave. That is an individual choice, and in today's environment takes a lot of luck. The flight decks are destined to be filled with pilots that have conflict over their newfound seniority. The question is... A) Will you blow off the award and just be happy B) Be professional enough to keep it out of the flight deck or C) not tolerate one comment on it and go off on the individual's that points out how it affected him. A or B would be the correct answer, but some have already publicly posted that they choose option C.
Oh, I can read between the lines. And I have moved on. I hold NO ill will, and I am looking forward to flying with the 9E guys, and seeing more former XJ guys in black and gold. But I will retain the right to speak openly, although I try to voice my concerns to those that can actually affect change, not just whining on a public forum. My complaint was not with flashlights at all, although I do see Sevens point here.
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