9E, 9L, XJ JCBA Deadline Extension

[CptMurf]

Seems the deadline has been extended. Negotiations to resume on the 30th.

 

[jkurtfly]

Seems the deadline has been extended. Negotiations to resume on the 30th.

Question is, what is the new deadline. Are they going to meet on the 30th to establish one?

 

[CoATP]

It's not a deadline. It's a "caveline." When is enough enough. 9L and XJ have joined the wimpy .

 

[Smarta$$]

What a shock. If only they had more time, considering they wasted WEEKS of time with management saying NO to anything that costs money. They WASTED their time, and ours. Same old dog and pony show. We need to provide them with motivation, not time.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Just another tactic for the company to buy time. They never had any intention or desire for a jcba and they don't want one now. The unions should have never agreed to resume negotiations on the 30th. They should have demanded that negotiations continue today. If there is ever a TA, the unknown seniority consequences will cause it to fail and will be in the same position we are in now but it will be six months or a year later. Another victory for Corp.

 

[Plainsman]

Why on earth don't you guys write stuff up and go eat dinner instead of staying on time. Dick Anderson has to much invested in yall to let you go the way of comair. Come on!

 

[asayankee]

You guys definitely need to grow a pair. The sooner you get some hair on your peaches the quicker this will be resolved. You're not giving the company any reason to do anything. They're not going to do it out of the kindness of their heart.

 

[CptMurf]

Memo just says a new deadline (unpublished) and negotiations resume on the 30th. No doom and gloom, we are transferring the aircraft anyhow type talk, as some would have liked to have seen. As I said before, it will be done when its done. The motivation for management is the $$ spent in 3 independent airlines and unresolved labor negotiations which the shareholders don't like. I believe their is a shareholders meeting today infact. This is not section 6 negotiations, and it is not time to make this ugly.... yet.

 

[redflyer65]

Hahaha.

They need a few more weeks? Really?

How about 5 years? You've got to be kidding me.

I hate to say I told you so, but the company is gonna keep on stringing the union along and the union WILL LET THEM.

Better leadership is needed. Where are the Mesaba militants? Bring em on.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The latest memo on Mymesaba says the new deadline is Dec 2 at 5pm.

 

[i fly boxes]

Why are they calling it a deadline. Like what, does the airline go out of business if time elapsed? That wouldnt be the worst thing i guess.

 

[Flyer1015]

You guys definitely need to grow a pair. The sooner you get some hair on your peaches the quicker this will be resolved. You're not giving the company any reason to do anything. They're not going to do it out of the kindness of their heart.

55% of the current pilot group is pay-to-play. They aren't willing to stand up against management. Most are simply thankful to be employed and definitely don't want to rock the boat, in fact, for some, this job is their only hope. Gulfstream loans, houses, cars, etc, will make sure they come to work every day and continue to work under the 1999 CBA.

 

[Smarta$$]

Hahaha.

They need a few more weeks? Really?

How about 5 years? You've got to be kidding me.

I hate to say I told you so, but the company is gonna keep on stringing the union along and the union WILL LET THEM.

Better leadership is needed. Where are the Mesaba militants? Bring em on.

There is NO Mesaba militants. Hence my tag quote below. It is not the leadership that is the primary problem, it is the RANK AND FILE of Pinnacle. Never EVER have I met such a group of PU$$IES in my life. They will take ANY and ALL abuse and be taken advantage of OVER and OVER and OVER, and do nothing. Makes me sick.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

There is NO Mesaba militants. Hence my tag quote below. It is not the leadership that is the primary problem, it is the RANK AND FILE of Pinnacle. Never EVER have I met such a group of PU$$IES in my life. They will take ANY and ALL abuse and be taken advantage of OVER and OVER and OVER, and do nothing. Makes me sick.

I see you write this at least once a day, getting sick of it yet??? We both know nothing is ever going to change...

 

[CptMurf]

The JCBA is not section 6 negotiations. Which is why the 9E MEC email states that is the JCBA falls through, that you would return to independent negotiations. I know it feels the same to you, and I understand why you are saying it feels like the XJ guys are not behind you, but you need to understand the difference in these negotiations vs the one you have been in for 6 years. The JCBA negotiations have been very productive, and the negotiators are hopeful for a conclusion soon after negotiations resume. Several sections have been improved over what 9E was unable to attain in the TA. The XJ guys are interested in attaining a contract that is good for all of us, and it will be better than what you saw in the TA. It is not time to be militant, which is why you don't see militant XJ folks. There is a time and place, we're not there yet. Give the negotiators time.