91 Operations

[gear_guy]

What happens when you spill a little on yourself, while in uniform? How many people will you come across the rest of the day that will believe your story?

First of all, I don't wear a "pilot uniform." So my arabian drycleaner (who can't speak English) can say all he wants (in arabic). I'm sure the FBI, DNS, etc. will be all ears.

Secondly, I don't really care. My excuse would be that I was fulfilling my duties as an f/o by making sure the airplane was stocked. If they don't believe me, so what? Give me a breathalizer. That should prove it. If you have nothing to hide, you should hide nothing.

Thirdly, You can "what if?" it to death but if there's no reg to keep me from performing my duties, I'm not gonna sweat it.

BTW English- I'm not disagreeing with you. Like I said earlier our policy is to let them serve their own alcohol. But I was responding to filling the decanter before or after a flight. Somebody has to do it.

 

[banned username 2]

First of all, I don't wear a "pilot uniform." So my arabian drycleaner (who can't speak English) can say all he wants (in arabic). I'm sure the FBI, DNS, etc. will be all ears.

Secondly, I don't really care. My excuse would be that I was fulfilling my duties as an f/o by making sure the airplane was stocked. If they don't believe me, so what? Give me a breathalizer. That should prove it. If you have nothing to hide, you should hide nothing.

Thirdly, You can "what if?" it to death but if there's no reg to keep me from performing my duties, I'm not gonna sweat it.

BTW English- I'm not disagreeing with you. Like I said earlier our policy is to let them serve their own alcohol. But I was responding to filling the decanter before or after a flight. Somebody has to do it.

Don't forget, perception is reality in the world... The difference between "appearing guilty" and actually being guilty are a very fine line...

 

[501261]

Does anyone know if you are allowed to have alcohol for your passengers on part 91 operations. If so, where would I be able to find it in the fars. I know your allowed to have it on airliners and I believe on part 135 ops. I was looking for it under 91, the only thing I could find is where it talks about the pilots BAC and the 8 hour rule. Any help on this would be appreciated.

Going back to the original poster’s question, it appears that he is asking whether there is some kind of “open container” type law for the passengers. In other words can he take a couple of friends up in a Baron with a case of beer. The answer is, sure you can as long as the required flight crew does not partake. The problems you have though are the liability as has been discussed and also the perception. Generally attracting attention to yourself while flying is not a good thing. Imagine how much attention that Baron will attract on the ramp with beer cans falling out and a couple of guys stumbling out?

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

Generally attracting attention to yourself while flying is not a good thing. Imagine how much attention that Baron will attract on the ramp with beer cans falling out and a couple of guys stumbling out?

That isn't on the shutdown checklist?

 

[Lead Sled]

...Generally attracting attention to yourself while flying is not a good thing. Imagine how much attention that Baron will attract on the ramp with beer cans falling out and a couple of guys stumbling out?

Boy, that's the truth. I enjoy Martinelli's Sparkling Apple Juice and I used to keep some iced down in the airplane. It didn't dawn on me how much it looked like a bottle of Miller's beer until it was pointed out to me one day at one of the FBOs that we frequented - people were noticing and starting to talk. (Hey, and I don't drink!)

When it comes to flying and alcohol you need to "avoid even the appearance of evil". Back when I flew for one of the majors, it was an unpardonable sin to be seen in a bar with your uniform on.

Lead Sled

 

[gear_guy]

I am starting to realize some things about this board.


1. It is really difficult to talk about a particular subject and include all of aviation. The differences between 91, 135, and 121 are alot greater than I imagined. I have found that the 121 guy does'nt see it like the 91 guy, and visa-versa. And sometimes I can be more confused, the more posts I read. The most frustrating part is not being able to get your point across to the other person.

However,

2. No matter how different we may all be(ie. 91, 135, etc.) I have usually found that everyone's opinion is valid and helpful. It is quite beneficial to have all of the different aspects and opinions.

Anyways, I just want to thank everyone that responds professionally. It does our profession good to communicate with each other and share our differences.
Who would have thought 50 years ago we'd be hashing out the issues with each other from different sides of the world.

Now....Can we get a group hug