757 Video

[Hung Start]

I bet the ghost of Tex Ritter is smiling, somewhere.

 

[LJDRVR]

Too bad that in the twenty-first century there are still those among us that feel the need to perform high risk maneuvers in direct contravention of procedural and regulatory guidance.

Looks like another Bud Holland wannabe to me. Today he'll be exceeding speed and pitch limits, tomorrow he'll be performing unauthorized, low altitude aerobatics in a transport category aircraft. Why not just get a Cub instead?

When are we as a group going to quit saying "Cool!" and begin to demand some accountability and minimum acceptable standards of airmanship from our fellow aviators? Hopefully the A/C got his butt handed to him and grounded before he has the opportunity for even more ridiculous rogue behavior.

PS- Hung Start: I believe Tex Ritter was an AVG P-40 guy, Sir. You'd be thinking of Alva "Tex" Johnston who, although he asserts otherwise in his self-pandering autobigraphy, lost his job as head of Boeing Flight Test for his bone-headed stunt, not to mention set a poor example that may have assisted in the demise of a Sabena Airlines 707-430 crew who, while on a training mission, attempted to emulate his stupidity with disasterous results.

 

[Hung Start]

I do stand corrected, Tex Johston it was. But I believe he lost his job for the length of a conversation, and was rehired when Boeing realized the publicity was going to sell quite a few aircraft.
But it is 2 am, and I am running a bit of a fever from some damn bug. So, as always I could be wrong.

 

[mrnolmts]

PS- Hung Start: I believe Tex Ritter was an AVG P-40 guy, Sir. You'd be thinking of Alva "Tex" Johnston who, although he asserts otherwise in his self-pandering autobigraphy, lost his job as head of Boeing Flight Test for his bone-headed stunt, not to mention set a poor example that may have assisted in the demise of a Sabena Airlines 707-430 crew who, while on a training mission, attempted to emulate his stupidity with disasterous results.

Seems he didn't get fired for the stunt, LJDRVR. Anyways, for those interested, here's a link to a story about it:
http://www.historylink.org/output.cfm?file_id=390

 

[EagleRJ]

When are we as a group going to quit saying "Cool!" and begin to demand some accountability and minimum acceptable standards of airmanship from our fellow aviators? Hopefully the A/C got his butt handed to him and grounded before he has the opportunity for even more ridiculous rogue behavior.

True, but it's worth observing that this is was with a foreign air force. It seems like a lot of foreign services don't have either the rules or the oversight that we do (and they have the accident rate to back it up). I've seen some absolutely insane things pulled off by foreign pilots- both in person and on these internet videos. Far more than I've seen with US pilots.

Was Bud Holland the B-52 pilot who bought it during the flyby in the mid-80s?
It seems like every squadron has its hot dog. It's only after decades of Class A mishaps and lives lost that we decided to change the environment and rein in the hot dogs. For a lot of foreign air forces, that hasn't happened yet.

 

[9GClub]

Forget Red Flag..... they should establish an exercise where guys can hotdog it and bend some metal. =)

 

[Bjammin]

Airshows and flybys should always remain a part of aviation. I think this was a flyby at a military airshow. Or if not an airshow at least at a foreign military base whose rules are not the same.

While I agree that hotdogging or flathatting should not be tolerated we still need an arena where limits can be tested and not just for test pilots, but for all military pilots. We need to experience the limits of the aircraft as well as ourselves so we can understand our weaknesses and exploit our strenghts against the enemy. It builds confidence in your equipment and helps you understand exactly how far you can push it.
I also think civilians should be able to reach the limits of there equipment. It would give them more understanding of what they can do if they ever need the aircraft to preform to it's limits and give more confidence to ones abilities.

If it's controlled, authorized, and does not put anyone in harms way, other then the pilot who accepts the responsibility, then GO FOR IT!!

 

[andy_paul]

Ummmmmm, Bob Hoover?

I have seen him do very impressive things with aircraft that were not meant to do so. To be honest, it scared the crap out of me to watch his routine, this was many years ago. How would he ever get there without pushing some limits???

Showboating, hotdogging? nahhh
Doods got skillz brah
As far as I am concerned, he is the pilot of all pilots, hands down.

Some people can hurt themselves on the motorized fat cart at the local Whiskey Tango mart. That shouldnt set the standard for the rest of us.

That 757 belongs to NZ, let them have their way with it.

 

[EagleRJ]

Ummmmmm, Bob Hoover?

I have seen him do very impressive things with aircraft that were not meant to do so. To be honest, it scared the crap out of me to watch his routine, this was many years ago. How would he ever get there without pushing some limits???

Airshow demonstrations are different. In that case, the pilot has carefully planned his routine, and has spent years working up to the level shown during the demonstration. I doubt if Bob Hoover did his full energy management routine the first time he ever climbed into an Aerocommander Shrike!
I've seen some very dramatic performances by transport-category aircraft at airshows too, but again those are factory pilots who have carefully planned every part of the routine, and have probably rehearsed it numerous times in the simulator.

Bob Hoover's airshow routine never scared me. Now Jimmy Franklin (RIP)- he scared me!



Maybe some military pilots who have flown a demonstration at an airshow recently can tell- do military pilots get a choreographed routine to fly at airshows? I'm pretty sure they have limits to what they can do now. They're no longer told to just go up and "wring it out for 15 minutes".

 

[Ill Mitch]

Maybe some military pilots who have flown a demonstration at an airshow recently can tell- do military pilots get a choreographed routine to fly at airshows? I'm pretty sure they have limits to what they can do now. They're no longer told to just go up and "wring it out for 15 minutes".

Yup...it is covered under "Air Force Instruction 11-246" which covers Air Force Demos for the F-15, F-16 and the A-10. Pretty cool read, actually. It covers all manuevers approved by the USAF and the flight parameters that must be met before initiating each manuever.

 

[Bjammin]

All the manuvers I have seen or done at airshows are the same manuvers we do on a very normal basis. Gun pattern, Tactical formation, weapons patterns, the carrier break.

It's all the same thing we do in resticted areas, at airshows we just do it in front of a crowd. NO BIG DEAL TO US, but can provide a thrill to the public.

The airshow demonstration teams obviously have more practice time and have a set routine, but as far as the normal flyby stuff, we do that at the carrier for the troops all the time. It gets them siked up and makes them feel a little more part of the team. This 757 flyby could have been just that.

 

[PapaK]

I wonder if they considered the dynamic loading on the fan sections and pylons as well as the potential for compressor stall as they slice it off in a 90 at the top....just wondering. I've done that sort of thing in the sim a number of times over then years in the 757, 767 and A-310. It's lots of fun, all the kick but none of the potential consequences. We used to roll it up in a 90 degree bank to go between the twin towers and then flatten it out to fly under the Verazanno Bridge. Just flying between points of light in cyberspace.

 

[Horizon]

Seems he didn't get fired for the stunt, LJDRVR. Anyways, for those interested, here's a link to a story about it:
http://www.historylink.org/output.cfm?file_id=390

Check this video out too. This is awsome.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/707%20Roll.mpg

 

[ultrarunner]

Just eyeballing it, I'd say these guys were doing 400kts as they came down center field. Probably still around 250kts as the camera lost sight of them. I'm sure that's over the Vmo for the 757 at sea level.

ON a -200 with the RB211's, VMO is 350kts, 313kts below 8000 for bird protection.