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You can't even handle someone agreeing with you, ya pathetic dolt. Good grief.

I suspect that if I posted a period, you'd argue with that, too.

...but you don't lack for arrogance to suggest that after fifteen years flying tankers I would not understand the basics..

You apparently don't, from what you've posted. No question about that. Wasn't it you that said 80% of the time you attack the head? That's something one expects of a first year tanker co-pilot, not an experienced hand. I don't know you; all I can go by are your words, but apparently they hang you. You should probably stop speaking them.

Either that or you fly in turbulence "that will endanger " you and your aircraft...

Endanger me or my aircraft? As opposed to flying into a fire? :eek: Endanger me compared to what?

Is severe turbulence common over a fire? Yes, without question. How is severe turbulence defined? According to the Aeronautical Information Manual, severe turbulence is defined as:

"Turbulence that causes large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude. It usually causes large variations in indicated airspeed. . Aircraft may be momentarily out of control. Occupants are forced violently against seat belts or shoulder straps. Unsecured objects are tossed about."

If you don't understand that, you don't understand flying over a fire, period. The bigger and heavier, the better the ride over the fire, to be sure...but it can be rough overhead no matter how you slice it. I was on a fire last summer in which an aircraft returned with retardant all over the top of the aircraft. Figure out how that happened.

Does extreme turbulence also occur over the fire? Yes. It's defined as "Turbulence in which the aircraft is violently tossed about and is practically impossible to control. It may cause structural damage. " It does occur. Two years ago two airplanes broke up over fires...not necessarily due to turbulence over the fires, because that wasn't the case. But those aircraft had been exposed to more than ample turbulence over the previous years. I know, because I was in them.

Last summer I made the first IA run on a fire. A lead showed up behind me, asked for my assessment. I stated that no aircraft should be put on the fire; I made the run and decided that it was too dangerous. The lead made the run, doubting what I said, and immediately came out with a broken headset, and a direction for all aircraft to return and hold. I'd call that severe to extreme. Three times I made the call that it was unsafe, and to ground air assets last year, and three times it was done.

I don't wear a helmet because it looks cool, and I don't wear a helmet because I'm afraid of crashing an airplane. I wear the helmet because it's regulatory, and because it keeps my head from bouncing off the canopy. T-u-r-b-u-l-e-n-c-e. Get it?

I'm finished this this discussion...

Thank heavens. You had overloaded me with your whit and insight.
 
This from one who labels himself after genetalia, sir organ?

I still haven't a clue. Why don't you spell it out, "hugh?" I imagine you do know how to do that, don't you?

If your inference is that I don't know whence I speak, you might start by disproving or countering it with more than flatulent talk. But can you do it?
 
avbug said:

I still haven't a clue. Why don't you spell it out, "hugh?" I imagine you do know how to do that, don't you?
That would take the fun out of seeing it go over the heads of those less cerebral than yourself. I think I'd be able to manage most spelling endeavors if faced with the challenge.

avbug said:

If your inference is that I don't know whence I speak, you might start by disproving or countering it with more than flatulent talk. But can you do it?
I thought your reading comprehension was better than that. Perhaps I've overestimated you. I don't contend-and never have-that you don't know "whence you speak". I don't know much about the type of flying you do. It's obvious you do. It's so unfortunately excruciatingly painful to learn anything about it from you since you are such a condescending a$$hole. As I've said before, what a waste of a perfectly gifted cranium.
 
Negative. This has gone on long enough, and unlike catmaster, I really am done with this thread.

Certain members here do not deserve, nor will they be accorded respect. Clownpilot was one, and has been banned. Swass is of similiar ilk, as is hugh, and for a relatively new participant here, so appears to be the cat.

Others have earned the respect and deserve it, such as A Squared, Mar, Enigma, UAL78, and many, many others. I'll certainly accord such who deserve the respect, all that I have to give. To those who do not deserve it, I'll give far less. Those who don't deserve it may perceive condescension; it's not. Their treatment is nothing more than response in kind to their apparent worth.

So many times I see someone ask a question, and get nothing but guff from the various clown posters here. How should one take them, then? Certainly not as serious proponents of professionalism, certainly not with any interest in setting forth meaningful contribution, but only as detractors who only desire to argue. Swass is nothing more than this, nor is Hugh Jorgan. Such jibes as they may elect to post, then, are of little consequence; they never had anything meaningful to say, and their words are of little weight.

Without a doubt, they'll reply here, though without response from me...this thread has run it's course. Whatever their reply, it's of no value, nor efficacy; wasted "bandwidth." Even agreeing with such brings only more arguement; the futility of meaningful communication is self-evident. Have a ball, kids. You know you will.
 
Regardless of the feelings some of you have here in this whole argument, I would enjoy hoisting a few cold ones with any one of you if we are on the same fire this summer.

Ron

Tanker 65
 
If ya ever make it to FAT, the beer is on me.


DC-4's kick ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Dont forget to arm the tank........
 
I'd assume thats the DC10 water tanker prototype doing a test run? Looks like its flying slow and in landing configuration minus the gear down.
 
Hicks and Lawrence

I heard that they have 16 337's that they use for fire patrol work. Neat thing. I also know nothing about them. Could anyone offer more information about this obviously smart (they fly 337's) company.
 
Maybe that 747 video needs to be sent anonymously to a chemtrail kook, let them go crazy over it :)

Pacific Crest aviation flies 337s too, and I hear their pay is not bad. I think PC does BLM contracts, where the air attack is based in a certain place continuously, rather than on call air attack. Of course though BLM bases planes in real garden spots like Battle Mountain or Wherethefucca NV

The air attack thread might be a better place for getting info, there are a few air attack people on there.

Ron
2002 air attack
2004 T-65
 

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