$40,000 Training Contract

[MissKittyKat]

jax. Please post your ratings and hours thanks!

 

[747flyboy]

A piloty would have to be an asshole to turn down a good job just because they would have to sign a two-year training contract. The reason companies do it is because there are too many scumbag pilots out there who get types and leave, pretty simple.

My friend in Lauderdale signed a contract almost 2 years ago for a 604 type, they're now sending him to Global Express school after his 604 recurrent, not bad.

The only "tools" out there are people who pass up jobs like this.

 

[Greaseman]

"747Flyboy",

Lose the attitude. This thread was merely a fact-finding mission in an effort to help a friend. I'm not debating the merits of training contracts, I"m well aware as to why they exist. We're just talking numbers here.

Do me a favor, call your buddy and see what dollar value they assigned to his committment.

I'm out.

Grease

 

[Brett Hull]

A piloty would have to be an asshole to turn down a good job just because they would have to sign a two-year training contract.

Let me see if we're on the same page here. You're a tool if you don't feel comfortable signing your life away to some company just so you can fly their shiny airplane? Is that right?

Do any of the Directors, VP's of beancounting, etc... have to sign any type of "stay for X amount of time or write us a check" contracts?

What's that quote about being our worst enemies again?

My friend in Lauderdale signed a contract almost 2 years ago for a 604 type, they're now sending him to Global Express school after his 604 recurrent, not bad.

Did he have to sign another or did he get "credit" for fulfilling his promice the first time?

 

[Snakum]

jax. Please post your ratings and hours thanks!

Listen Tool Bag .... who are you to question a professional pilot's hours and ratings. You're a friggin FA, fer Christ's sakes.

Don't you have some pies to bake or biscuits to sling?


But back to the subject:

I can understand the need for training contracts, even if I don't like the idea personally. But $40K? Sheesh!

 

[Bandit60]

There are three things I would add to a "training contract" like the one this employer wishes to give you.
1. Contract is null and void if ownership of the company changes. ( This is to protect you against new owners that you cannot stand to work for.)

2. Contract null and void if salary is decreased by 1 dollar. (again this is to prevent them from getting you in to a contract and then telling you that they have to give you a pay cut and you have no option to leave for a better job).

3. Contract null and void if the type aircraft is sold.

If an employer will not honor this type of contract request then I wouldnt work for those people.

 

[G4G5]

Don't sign the training contract.

 

[doublepsych]

In my experience, if they want you to sign a training contract, either (1) they think you're a knob; or (2)they are knobs. Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which it is...

 

[G100driver]

Kitty ... I never called YOU a tool. Your boyfriend will always be a tool in my book ... as are the folks that make appologies for super-millionares. Do not want a pilot to quit, pay him/her.

 

[Tonala2k]

Greaseman, don't you love when you start a thread that turns into a mecca for hate mongers? You get on you computer and find an additional 10+ posts and you get excited thinking you're about to get a lot of useful information. Ahhh, It's great!

 

[Rick1128]

Thanks for the info.

Rick, the contract does provide for a pro rata payback however as supported by the ProPilot averages, the pay appears to be sub-par.

Grease

It has been my experience that they company's argument on the low pay is they have paid for the type rating and that they need to get some value for that. Sounds like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. While I have signed training contracts in the past, they helped put me on track to where I wanted to be. Today, I would not sign one that was too one-sided. It would have to be pro-rated, cover initial salary, cover events like sale of aircraft, forlough, change in operation (91 to 91/135) and the like. And I would never sign one for recurrent. In my opinon is nothing short of indentured servitude.

 

[CapnVegetto]

This sounds like a bad deal through and through to me. It's been harped on hundreds of times on this board.......If it's a good job, then there's no need for a training contract!! People don't quit good jobs. 70K a year is waaaay underpaid for a CL-604 captain. That's dam near what I make flying a CE-550 in a cheap part of the country!! Sounds like they're trying to get you in for a couple of years, work you to death, pay you nothing, and leave you with no choice but to stick it out.

My company doesn't require training contracts. If a contract is required, then it's almost always a bad sign.

 

[H.Agenda]

jax. Please post your ratings and hours thanks!

his hours are posted. its looks like he has 600 more than you.

 

[Dinger]

ThatDamCat,

If I understood your post, you said your fiance is an independant contractor and paid 12k for his training. If this is correct, than we are talking about two different things here.

A training contract is not even similar. Your fiance qualifies himself on his own dime to go out and be used as a hired hand. I imagine that you understand what a training contract is, since you are in the industry.

That being said......GREASEMAN.......I got back from school on the 604 in April. The salary and terms of his contract seem a little harsh. I will not divulge my salary and terms of employment, but a two year contract seems more like a penalty than a promo.

 

[airspeed]

Is this for Corporate Jets?