$40,000 Training Contract

[Bandit60]

There are three things I would add to a "training contract" like the one this employer wishes to give you.
1. Contract is null and void if ownership of the company changes. ( This is to protect you against new owners that you cannot stand to work for.)

2. Contract null and void if salary is decreased by 1 dollar. (again this is to prevent them from getting you in to a contract and then telling you that they have to give you a pay cut and you have no option to leave for a better job).

3. Contract null and void if the type aircraft is sold.

If an employer will not honor this type of contract request then I wouldnt work for those people.

 

[G4G5]

Don't sign the training contract.

 

[doublepsych]

In my experience, if they want you to sign a training contract, either (1) they think you're a knob; or (2)they are knobs. Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which it is...

 

[G100driver]

Kitty ... I never called YOU a tool. Your boyfriend will always be a tool in my book ... as are the folks that make appologies for super-millionares. Do not want a pilot to quit, pay him/her.

 

[Tonala2k]

Greaseman, don't you love when you start a thread that turns into a mecca for hate mongers? You get on you computer and find an additional 10+ posts and you get excited thinking you're about to get a lot of useful information. Ahhh, It's great!

 

[Rick1128]

Thanks for the info.

Rick, the contract does provide for a pro rata payback however as supported by the ProPilot averages, the pay appears to be sub-par.

Grease

It has been my experience that they company's argument on the low pay is they have paid for the type rating and that they need to get some value for that. Sounds like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. While I have signed training contracts in the past, they helped put me on track to where I wanted to be. Today, I would not sign one that was too one-sided. It would have to be pro-rated, cover initial salary, cover events like sale of aircraft, forlough, change in operation (91 to 91/135) and the like. And I would never sign one for recurrent. In my opinon is nothing short of indentured servitude.

 

[CapnVegetto]

This sounds like a bad deal through and through to me. It's been harped on hundreds of times on this board.......If it's a good job, then there's no need for a training contract!! People don't quit good jobs. 70K a year is waaaay underpaid for a CL-604 captain. That's dam near what I make flying a CE-550 in a cheap part of the country!! Sounds like they're trying to get you in for a couple of years, work you to death, pay you nothing, and leave you with no choice but to stick it out.

My company doesn't require training contracts. If a contract is required, then it's almost always a bad sign.

 

[H.Agenda]

jax. Please post your ratings and hours thanks!

his hours are posted. its looks like he has 600 more than you.

 

[Dinger]

ThatDamCat,

If I understood your post, you said your fiance is an independant contractor and paid 12k for his training. If this is correct, than we are talking about two different things here.

A training contract is not even similar. Your fiance qualifies himself on his own dime to go out and be used as a hired hand. I imagine that you understand what a training contract is, since you are in the industry.

That being said......GREASEMAN.......I got back from school on the 604 in April. The salary and terms of his contract seem a little harsh. I will not divulge my salary and terms of employment, but a two year contract seems more like a penalty than a promo.

 

[airspeed]

Is this for Corporate Jets?

 

[Greaseman]

Rick, Tonala, Capn' Vegamite---you guys have been a big help and some source of good humor...THANKS!

As for all the talk of tools, knobs etc.---I'm headin' to Home Depot.

Grease

 

[redd]

Tool, or some sort of Bag....

Listen Tool Bag .... who are you to question a professional pilot's hours and ratings. You're a friggin FA, fer Christ's sakes

Snakum, I'm not so sure she's even a real girl?? Let alone an FA??


If the managment treats the employee poorly, any training contract takes all the fun out of the job.

 

[Snakum]

Snakum, I'm not so sure she's even a real girl?? Let alone an FA??

Good point.

 

[B737Dvr]

Hey misskittykat,
for future reference when you post on here or any internet board, try and not take things personally. You see there are always people who will not always operate with respect and dignity, now take that up a bunch of notches when you can post anything in your mind from behind the safety of a computer, and well you have a recipe for upsetting people like you! there are 1000 paths in this field of aviation, everyone comes from different background etc etc etc..... pay no mind to you being called tools, because if you are truly happy in your marriage and with your respective careers, then that is all that matters. i can call you a stupid %$#@ and what else will that do besides show everyone what a moron i am?
On another note, a training bond is quite normal and ok because these companies are covering their ass so that your hubby doesnt take their training and money and go elsewhere after two weeks. i had to do that because the (guy who set the bar before me) did just that and burned the company for a type rating. Now you have to understand that FSI or CAE offers multiple rates for many different companies based on how much training they buy a year. When you sign a contract it will most likely include hotel, airline, per diem, and other ancialliary costs that are part of a type rating so dont worry. The fact that it is pro rated is a show of good faith on their part. These contracts are very enforceable and if you leave before its expiration you only continue to set the bar for this to keep on, but who knows it may go on anyways.
Now the pay for training will always be a hot issue, and I for one dont condone it for large companies because it really doesnt help the masses. but if you can get on with a small company in their private jet and dont have anything on your side with regards to contacts, people, etc etc....and you have the money.....you should do it with the mindset that it is an investment in your career ( and write it off accordingly) while you get the time then move on to a more quality company. (those that make you pay are not quality companies, but serve their purpose as a stepping stone to bigger and better).

Keep your head up kitty kat and put on a flak jacket when you come in to these boards and post hot topics!
lol

 

[MissKittyKat]

Thanks B737, Bandit and Captvehetto! I was not trying to be mean or repulsive, what I did offer was a great, incentive, best of luck from many of us in the industry to the poster who's friend has an opportunity to fly a 604 Challenger!

I never signed a training contract but in order for me to be employed as a Cabin Server on a Global Expess, I did have a 4 page contract. It provided a cell phone, laptop and American Express Card, and a Nissan vehicle.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers I was just being polite and offering what I knew. Training contracts do vary from company to company (it's expensive and the companies, want you do to well and keep you) that's why they make the investment to keep you! I'm not only a contract cabin server, I have been with a pilot for 12years, he is commercial, the other one, my fiance has always been corporate!

He is a great guy, He owned and operated his own 135 company for 6 years in Houston. He had Lears and King Airs, he has always been a hard worker and has never sold himself short. For the first time in his life he wanted to be a free lance corporate pilot, He is working hard, he has 3 daughters and is willing to help anyone in this business.

I was just being kind, nothing more, I wish everyone the best and the poster, who's friend will be flying the challenger 604! Good luck gentlemen!

Take care!

all my best

 

[Greaseman]

Thank you for taking the time Miss KittyKat.


Good luck to you and your fiance!

Grease

 

[xrated]

My financee went to Flight Safety in March, paid for his training, at the cost of 12,000.

Best of luck to your friend and keep our industry High on the bar!

Gotta ask, how to we keep "our industy High on the bar" when people will pay 12 G's for training when most reputable companies provide training at the companies cost. This is not an attack Kitty. The "high on the bar" industry I want to be in not only pays for my training but also pays me while I'm in training. This is the PFT argument all over. PFT was a catalist in the significnt "lowering" of the bar that has killed this industry.

Now, if you significant other is pulling in over $1000 a day flying good equipment on a contract basis, perhaps the $12,000 is a good investment.

 

[MissKittyKat]

I understand, please keep in mind these things, my fiacee is familar with this board, he has spoken with a quite a number of pilots via phone and offered any thing he can do. He has never signed never signed a training contract and when he was offered 80,000 for a Captain on Hawker, he asked for 100k plus training, Guess what he got it! Not that it is a big deal, but when you fly for a private, stick up for yourself!


Don't be afraid Part 91 and ask the owner, have some balls, the owner will respect you, even for 120, or 150 have some balls, these people have money and they don;t mind! and they will even take out the check book at christmas, and give you a nice tip
! The bottom line is be nice, be acccomodating, be honest, fly a good trip, and ask if you don't ask! They will be nice!