3M flight dept

[banned username 2]

I feel so sorry for you Falcon capt. I can't imagine having to fly around 5 year old airplanes

Tell me about it! Well the 900EX's are only 3 1/2 years old... but the 50's... those are OLD! (5 years)!!!

Wooooeeesssss Me!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

16 Bil in sales and that type of dept is pretty odd...

someone there LOVES aviation. (and thats good)

some companies have 16+ bil in PROFIT in a year and dont have that kind of fleet!!!

 

[rice]

Do my eyes deceive me?

No kidding... and for a company with only $16.3 Billion in sales, that is a pretty impressive fleet... My company is nearly twice that size, we could use a couple of those G-V's for the trips we do...

Did you and GVFlyer switch places or something? I'm sure there's a 7X in your future.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Do my eyes deceive me?

Did you and GVFlyer switch places or something? I'm sure there's a 7X in your future.

Hehehe... momentary anomoly...

 

[GVFlyer]

Falcon Captain will get a Dassault 7X for their short range trips (5700nm) and a Gulfstream G550 for the long ones (6750nm @ M .80, 6500nm @ M.83, 6000nm @ M.85, 5000nm @ M.87). The G550 has 6% more thrust (30,770 lbs) than the GV and flys 4% farther on the same amount of fuel. Ain't technology grand? At least Falcon has figured out that if three engine airplanes were a good idea someone else besides them would make a three-holer.

GV

 

[GVFlyer]

Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Co.

I believe it's "mining".

3M is currently using their tail numbers for a call sign. Note that they all end in "3M".

It's a great flight department if you don't mind living in the nation's freezer section. Unfortunately, their first rate Aviation Director has just been promoted out of the flight department.

GV

 

[IP076]

5 GV's and they do numerous trips a year to a resort up in northern MN somewhere. Go VFR sometimes.

Gotta be fun, VFR in a GV for 150 miles or so....

Nation's Freezer Section????

Don't know about you, but I walked inside and opened my Freezer to help warm up this morning!

There's something to be said about a place that can build a castle out of ice and it stays around for a month or two! (or five)

 

[banned username 2]

Falcon Captain will get a Dassault 7X for their short range trips (5700nm) and a Gulfstream G550 for the long ones (6750nm @ M .80, 6500nm @ M.83, 6000nm @ M.85, 5000nm @ M.87). The G550 has 6% more thrust (30,770 lbs) than the GV and flys 4% farther on the same amount of fuel. Ain't technology grand? At least Falcon has figured out that if three engine airplanes were a good idea someone else besides them would make a three-holer.

GV

Well I can't believe I am going to say this, BUT we could use the range of the G-550 for the trips that we do... The 7X would be a hugh improvement over the 900EX but would still leave us short getting out and back on some of our Asia trips... From Anchorage to Singapore we would still need a fuel stop where the G-550 could possibly do it non-stop if the conditions (winds) are right.... Singapore to Anchorage would be better in the G-550 also...

The new Global Express XRS numbers are looking good too... Actually does better than the G-550 at high speed... Time will tell... right now we are just laying low...

 

[THE Flying Ace]

3M has a big resort by Park Rapids, MN. During the summer they're running back and forth.

 

[GVFlyer]

Well I can't believe I am going to say this, BUT we could use the range of the G-550 for the trips that we do... The 7X would be a hugh improvement over the 900EX but would still leave us short getting out and back on some of our Asia trips... From Anchorage to Singapore we would still need a fuel stop where the G-550 could possibly do it non-stop if the conditions (winds) are right.... Singapore to Anchorage would be better in the G-550 also...

The new Global Express XRS numbers are looking good too... Actually does better than the G-550 at high speed... Time will tell... right now we are just laying low...

I am pleased and amazed!

PANC to WSSS is 5786.7nm - the Gulfstream G550 will do that trip against 100% Boeing Winds. Going the other way, the G550 has flown 7301nm from Seoul, Korea to Savannah, GA.

The Global Express XRS allegedly will fly 6150nm. Remember Bombardier claimed that the Global Express would fly 6500nm - their Cruise Control Manual now shows that the "typical" Global Express will fly 6175nm @ M.80 and no longer supports their range guarantee. The Global Express that the Big G instrumented and tested showed a more typical real world range would be 5700nm.

When compared to the Global Express, the XRS has larger windows, an improved pressurization system and EVS. The XRS will not use the improved, higher thrust BR710A1-10 engines which are standard on the G550. The XRS is achieving whatever range increase they will eventually get by adding another 1486 lbs of fuel to cuffs added around the wings where they join the fuselage. They had already added a fiberglass 2,000 lb fuselage tank during Global development. Total fuel on the XRS is 44,836.

The Gulfstream G550 goes 6750nm with 8 pax and a crew of 4 against 85% Boeing Winds with NBAA reserves using only 41,300lbs of fuel or about 9% less fuel used than the Global XRS. All of the fuel on the Gulfstream is in the wings - the only fuel management required is insuring that you load enough on board to make your destination.

Remember that the Global Express XRS is a developmental airplane and is not yet certified. The G550 is a fully certified and operational aircraft. First customer deliveries of completed aircraft began in early Fall 2003.

It will be interesting to see how XRS development goes. Pete Reynolds, who is one of the best test pilots in the industry and the Chief Test Pilot for Bombardier Business Aircraft during Global Express Certification, was dismissed from Bombardier prior to the initiation of the current product line.

My biggest personal beef against the Global line is that it is a buffet-limited jet and does not offer the kind of margins found in the Gulfstream GV and it's derivatives. On the G550 there is over a 100 knot window between compressibility and stall at 51,000 feet. Gulfstream has never departed a GV/G550 during development or any other phase of flight. Pete and his test boys had to pull the chute on the Global to regain controlled flight when it pitched-up during FAA required stall testing.

I like the Falcon 7X concept; I think it will be a good aircraft. Neat wing. It will compete against the Gulfstream G500 and the Global 5000.

GV

 

[banned username 2]

The XRS will not use the improved, higher thrust BR710A1-10 engines which are standard on the G550.

THIS was my biggest disappointment when I read about the Global Express XRS. Kinda like when Falcon came out with the Falcon 2000EX, I was like "Where are the inboard leading edge slats??? You guys go through an entire certification process and don't add inboard leading edge slats to this plane??? Some Frenchman needs a serious ass-whoopin'!!!"

I like the Falcon 7X concept; I think it will be a good aircraft. Neat wing. It will compete against the Gulfstream G500 and the Global 5000.

OK, NOW I am scared... I am complimenting Gulfstream and you are complimenting Falcon... There must be some weird Lunar activity going on, I hope all the costal cities along the Pacific have their Tsunami flags waving!

I agree, I think the 7X looks like a very neat aircraft... It will be a good "Very Long Range" aircraft... But for our mission, an "Ultra-Long Range" aircraft would fit the bill better... That extra 1,000 NM range (6,700 vs. 5,700 NM) would help a lot, and even take out the "seat sucking, pucker factor" on some of the shorter legs...

Time will tell, right now we are just laying low and "Happy to be Here!"

 

[Gulfstreamlover]

Hey Falcon Capt. just send that 7X to my flight department sence it's not good enough for ya

 

[banned username 2]

Hey Falcon Capt. just send that 7X to my flight department sence it's not good enough for ya

I never thought I'd see the day where I thought a 4,500 NM range Falcon 900EX was not long range enough!

 

[JetPilot500]

I never thought I'd see the day where I thought a 4,500 NM range Falcon 900EX was not long range enough!

Heck, the G550 with 6,750 NM range isn't enough for our trips!!!! We would still have to stop for go-go juice!!

 

[Gulfstreamlover]

Hell we had to stop on the way to Chicago in the 501 from Baltimore