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Feb 23, 2005
Educate yourselves my friends.

Write your congressmen and reps, and make your concerns known.
For all you non-alpa boys, courtesy of ALPA....... copy and paste (you may want to edit the ALPA part), and get it in to your reps

As a professional air line pilot, your constituent, and a member of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), I urge you to oppose S. 3048, a bill by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) to mandate the use of cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) information for discipline, rather than its intended use for safety investigation.

This bill seeks to use CVR and FDR information to punish individual pilots, rather than to promote and support the proactive safety culture that our industry needs to protect passengers, crews, and cargo. This bill will threaten aviation safety, compromise the accident investigation process, and squander financial resources that could make established and proven aviation safety programs even more effective.

Every airline flight is unique due to weather, equipment, distance and other operational factors. Pilots are expected to work as a team, communicate effectively, and supplement one another’s skills and experience to continuously evaluate and adapt to the changing operational environment of each individual flight. The chilling effect of having conversations and flight data monitored and evaluated out of context for possible disciplinary action by corporate managers who may have motivations other than safety would be substantial.

Pilot performance is currently monitored randomly through the Line Oriented Safety Audit (LOSA) program which uses trained observers in the cockpit. As a commercial pilot, I must also pass at least two annual check rides. Existing safety programs such as LOSA, Flight Operations Quality Assurance (FOQA) and Aviation Safety Action Programs (ASAP) are voluntary, nonpunitive initiatives that use data and pilot reports to detect safety issues. These programs are critical to aviation safety and misusing recorder data will jeopardize these proven programs.

I urge you to oppose S. 3048 and any legislative attempts to use CVRs and FDRs for anything other than their intended safety investigative purposes.

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It will take a lot of convincing on my part to tell me that randomly sampled CVR data will not be used against me by either the company or the FAA for disciplinary or certificate action. We have already created programs like FOQA, ASAP, LOSA and SMS to address safety concerns, SOPs, compliance, etc... The Congress is being snowed by the airlines and the FAA that this further step is necessary. It is one thing to sample objectively, but sterile cockpit isn't as objective as it may appear. I would really, really like to see A LOT more on this topic. I hope that during the public comment period that pilots truly unite against this move. Lastly, this measure has to be shown that it will enhance safety and I don't believe that it will.
Next step after the passage of this...after an incident or accident the company denies any responsibility because the pilots didn't follow company procedure. Liability falls at the feet of the pilot. This will do wonders for the industry!
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Hate to say it......This will be another example of the pilot group not standing up for themselves!
Took me all of 5 mins. to send the letter to my 3 guys that represent me in DC. Please everyone take the 5 mins.

This Act may be cited as the `Pilot Professionalism Assurance Act'.

(a) Authorization- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, or any provision in a private contract, air carriers may use information obtained from a cockpit voice recorder or a flight data recorder--
(1) to discipline or discharge a pilot or flight engineer for actions that endanger the safety or well being of passengers;
(2) to defend itself in any discipline or discharge grievance proceeding;
(3) to evaluate or monitor the judgment or performance of an individual pilot or crew member;
(4) to justify or require a pilot's submission to a proficiency check or line check; or
(5) for any other purpose relating to improving the safety or well being of passengers.
(b) Confidentiality- Each air carrier that has obtained information pursuant to subsection (a) shall keep such information confidential and may only disclose such information to the extent required in an administrative or judicial proceeding.

(a) In General- No person may tamper with, disable, or destroy any cockpit voice recorder or flight data recorder installed on a commercial aircraft.
(b) Penalties-
(1) IN GENERAL- Any person who violates the prohibition described in subsection (a) may be fined up to $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than 5 years.
(2) COMMERCIAL PILOT- If a commercial pilot violates the prohibition described in subsection (a)--
(A) the air carrier employing such pilot shall immediately terminate such employment; and
(B) the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall immediately revoke the airman certificate issued to the pilot under section 44703 of title 49, United States Code.
ALPA can't stop a fly from landing on a piece of horse dung, what makes you think they will stop this?

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