30 min. post

[slowtation capt]

Have you all read the new Master Screw Our Pilots revision 1 carefully. On page 14.

"A cremember will be considered in rest 30 minutes after the last block in time of flight day unless directed by dispatch"

No longer talk, it's a reality

 

[I.P. Freley]

How is this different from anyone else?

15mins? 30mins? 45mins? I've never worked for anyone who didn't start your "off duty" clock in anything more than 30mins after your final block-in... Unless you called crewsked and explained why you needed a later time.

 

[Frac Daddy]

How is this different from anyone else?

15mins? 30mins? 45mins? I've never worked for anyone who didn't start your "off duty" clock in anything more than 30mins after your final block-in... Unless you called crewsked and explained why you needed a later time.

Your profile seems to indicate you are an airline guy. Have you ever flown on-demand charter?

 

[Majik]

Here's how it generally goes - Block in, offload pax and baggage and cheerfully wave them off on their merry way. Go inside and the cabin's a mess, needs to be restocked and the lav needs servicing. You already used 10 of your 30 minutes. Help FO clean up the cabin and go inside to call in the numbers. Spend 5-10 minutes on hold to talk to a FM. Tell them that you need to be held on to get a vaccuum, restock and service the lav. They respond that you have a legal rest brief and any extra time spent on duty instead of rest will eat into tomorrow's preflight time. You respond, "Whatever," and continue trying to finish the day's business by locating a line guy and getting a vaccuum and lav svc. You don't get to the hotel until at least an hour or more later.

You show at legal the next day and 10 minutes later the pax arrive, grumbling at the fact that you aren't ready to go. Doesn't happen every day but it definitely happens at least twice a tour. Sure takes the "luster" off the "NetJets Experience" for some of the owners and makes it more difficult for the crews to maintain a positive attitude when you seem to be the only ones in the company that gives a crap whether the owners are happy or not. In addition, the man you're making rich is almost 4 years overdue negotiating the contract that he said would be "Industry Leading" and would be negotiated like it was "Pre 9/11".

So when you have to fight daily with the personnel that work at the same company that you supposedly do to try to make things run smoothly, it tends to take out some of your "proactive" steam. After a few years you tend to let the chips fall where they may and try to pick up the pieces tomorrow.

 

[Cpt Splash]

Funny we get 1 Hour after block in time

 

[PHX767]

What document are you looking at?

On the pilot's web site I looked at the FLOPS SOP rev 1, page 14, para 4:

And it says blah blah rest will normally begin ".... one hour after last block in."

 

[guido411]

"A cremember will be considered in rest 30 minutes after the last block in time of flight day unless directed by dispatch"

No longer talk, it's a reality

Also going to be a reality (again) that things like low oil levels, break wear, and trie tread wear, will not be discovered till the morning's preflight. Thus creating owner disservices. But hey, at least we'll have had concierge training to help be more understanding and courteous to our owners. Which, by the way, seems to be the only thing we do good anymore according to our owners.

 

[minimums]

Have you all read the new Master Screw Our Pilots revision 1 carefully. On page 14.

"A cremember will be considered in rest 30 minutes after the last block in time of flight day unless directed by dispatch"

No longer talk, it's a reality

Read again:

4. A crewmember will be considered in rest one (1) hour after the last block in time of

the flight day unless directed otherwise by dispatch. (If you still have duty time​

remaining you may be placed on standby and released later into rest).

 

[ProFracPilot]

NJA v. FO

I think Slowtation Cap is referring to NJA's SOP's. Flt Ops postflight time is an hour - for now. I expect this to change in the near future.

 

[slowtation capt]

I got it from the Fuji unit, bored enroute. We also did the lastest disk update - This week.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Sorry, can't find anything on page 14 (SOP Rev 1, 3/1/05) saying we only have a 30 min post flight. Page 13 and 15 specifically state we have a 1 hour preflight and 1 hour post flight. Like I said, I can see 30 min post flight coming but it aint here - yet.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Have you ever flown on-demand charter?

In a manner of speaking, yes.

But... I don't see what you're getting at. Fill me in. Are you referring to the stuff that majik posted right after you?