30 E-175 for Mesa

[brokedash]

To be fair, it's CO people at the helm, and they have no experience with them.

And JO briefly worked for CO....

 

[brokedash]

FYI Mesa has also signed up for 700mil. in additional loans to buy another airline. My money is on Eagle.

Source? If ture I could vouch for what remains of wholly owned Eagle, but could also see US pawning off Peidmont and PSA on MAG.

 

[labbats]

http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/9-2013MAG-Contract-Comparison.pdf

I anxiously await the spin on this document from management/Rene.

 

[Poahi]

I'm sure Mesa is going to find hundreds of 1500 hr ATP's and pump them through the training cycle without impacting performance. Maybe that will trigger some memories....

 

[rene]

Source please

Thats a lot of $$$ did'nt SkyWest buy XJT for under 200 mill...??...

Do you have any source for this rumor? I call BS

 

[Nevets]

Do you have any source for this rumor? I call BS

It's in a press release. Skywest inc paid $133 million. More than XJT had in the bank!

http://inc.skywest.com/invest/investor_releases/XJTAnnounceFinal8.2.10.pdf

In all seriousness, I can't confirm or deny the rumor because this is the first I've heard of it.. But I hope it's true. And congrats to Mesa, btw.

 

[rene]

Me too

http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/9-2013MAG-Contract-Comparison.pdf

I anxiously await the spin on this document from management/Rene.

I think it might have something to do with seniority. Mesa pilots earn real dollars, not scale dollars. I am not certain but I was told there were 130 pilots in 2013 who will earn more than $120,000.

 

[Raoul Duke]

http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/9-2013MAG-Contract-Comparison.pdf

I anxiously await the spin on this document from management/Rene.

How is that relevant - it does not even have PNCL in the comparison. Not particularly impressive

 

[sniper]

Can someone help me with the math. 30 New Aircraft for UAL, 20 New Aircraft for US Airways at 10 pilots per aircraft = 500 pilots, plus hiring for 117 rules, plus attrition = 750 new pilots. This will mean that every FO on the property will have a chance to upgrade. It may also be worth noting that there were no concessions. Even during the chapter 11 there was never a word about an 1113 contract rejection. Does this make Mesa the only airline to go through Chapter 11 without reducing its labor costs? The best operating performance for three years and now 500 additional pilots? just saying?

thank your previous mec for not selling out to skywest when the offer was on the table and you had nothing to do with the 1113 since the creditors commitee never considered it with the current mesa pay....


let the truth be known

 

[rene]

Bs

It's in a press release. Skywest inc paid $133 million. More than XJT had in the bank!

http://inc.skywest.com/invest/investor_releases/XJTAnnounceFinal8.2.10.pdf

In all seriousness, I can't confirm or deny the rumor because this is the first I've heard of it.. But I hope it's true. And congrats to Mesa, btw.

I am calling BS on the rumor that Mesa borrowed $750 million. It is simply not true?

 

[rene]

Truth

thank your previous mec for not selling out to skywest when the offer was on the table and you had nothing to do with the 1113 since the creditors commitee never considered it with the current mesa pay....


let the truth be known

You have no idea what you are talking about? There was never an 1113 proposal to consider, and there was most certainly pressure to consider one. The ONLY airline BK to not include an 1113 is just a fact. Lots of changes could have been made but were not. Just saying

 

[sniper]

I think it might have something to do with seniority. Mesa pilots earn real dollars, not scale dollars. I am not certain but I was told there were 130 pilots in 2013 who will earn more than $120,000.

so whats your point? they have been there over 20 years

come on find something better to argue about

 

[rene]

My point?

so whats your point? they have been there over 20 years

come on find something better to argue about

They make more than $120,000 per year. They love their job, and we are getting annual increases? What is so confusing? Better to grow than go out of business, as many would wish?

 

[sniper]

You have no idea what you are talking about? There was never an 1113 proposal to consider, and there was most certainly pressure to consider one. The ONLY airline BK to not include an 1113 is just a fact. Lots of changes could have been made but were not. Just saying

you did not ask for 1113 because you had no chance with the crediitors committee thats why you ask for a paycut directly to the mec and they told you to go pounf sand

i know very well what i am talking about.

now settle the contract you have been negotiating for 3 years and move on

make sure you dont make the same mistakes you did in the past

 

[sniper]

They make more than $120,000 per year. They love their job, and we are getting annual increases? What is so confusing? Better to grow than go out of business, as many would wish?

management screw ups and lawsuits with the fiasco in hawaii almost put mesa out of business . not the pilots

 

[rene]

Creditors committee?

you did not ask for 1113 because you had no chance with the crediitors committee thats why you ask for a paycut directly to the mec and they told you to go pounf sand

i know very well what i am talking about.

now settle the contract you have been negotiating for 3 years and move on

make sure you dont make the same mistakes you did in the past

What you do not understand is the role of the creditors committee. They were pushing very very hard for an 1113? Just ask those who were there.

 

[rene]

Ancient history

management screw ups and lawsuits with the fiasco in hawaii almost put mesa out of business . not the pilots

Lawsuits is Hawaii were six years ago. Light years in the regional airline biz. Mesa is a much different company today. N

 

[Nevets]

How is that relevant - it does not even have PNCL in the comparison. Not particularly impressive

Pinnacle = Endeavor

 

[Ops check good]

Rene, I need to hand it to ya, you were correct all along that Mesa was going to get 175's. Just remember that United is the puppet master and that should worry all involved. Not owning (the lease of) your A/C is a bad thing.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I think it might have something to do with seniority. Mesa pilots earn real dollars, not scale dollars. I am not certain but I was told there were 130 pilots in 2013 who will earn more than $120,000.

Hard to believe even if you include per diem...
If you multiply your top captain rate by a 1000 hours a year max, still don't get close to "more than $120,000".

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Hard to believe even if you include per diem...
If you multiply your top captain rate by a 1000 hours a year max, still don't get close to "more than $120,000".

most of the senior captains do IOE at a 20% override, any junior available assignments are paid at 200% above guarantee, any illegal reassignments are paid at 200% above guarantee, 100% cancellation pay, line guarantee, Scheduled or actual......its not hard to get to that 120,000 a year flying the 900.
mesa has also been offering 300% pay for incentive flying too.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

most of the senior captains do IOE at a 20% override, any junior available assignments are paid at 200% above guarantee, any illegal reassignments are paid at 200% above guarantee, 100% cancellation pay, line guarantee, Scheduled or actual......its not hard to get to that 120,000 a year flying the 900.
mesa has also been offering 300% pay for incentive flying too.

Not trying to make this a "my paycheck is bigger than yours" argument, but I've been breaking that mark for years, without doing OE/training, and not really killing myself on extra flying. And that's flying the 200 (all we have at AWAC).

You should be making a lot more on a 700 or 900.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Not trying to make this a "my paycheck is bigger than yours" argument, but I've been breaking that mark for years, without doing OE/training, and not really killing myself on extra flying. And that's flying the 200 (all we have at AWAC).

You should be making a lot more on a 700 or 900.

Peace.

Rekks

I agree, rome wasn't built overnight either. Mesa is in negotiations and we plan on getting a pay raise via rates this time. Although Endeavor (pinnacle and PSA) are making that quite tough to do. Time will tell, hopefully when push comes to shove, mesa pilots have some balls (like eagle) and do whats right for the industry.

 

[rene]

I agree, rome wasn't built overnight either. Mesa is in negotiations and we plan on getting a pay raise via rates this time. Although Endeavor (pinnacle and PSA) are making that quite tough to do. Time will tell, hopefully when push comes to shove, mesa pilots have some balls (like eagle) and do whats right for the industry.

You can only expect them to do what is right for themselves and their families. For the moment at least, lets just pause and enjoy the moment. Celebrate the success for what it is in this brutally competitive industry. Hats off to the Mesa pilots for their dedication and persevere over a long period. Well done.

 

[sniper]

What you do not understand is the role of the creditors committee. They were pushing very very hard for an 1113? Just ask those who were there.

it was never on the table and the creditors committee never went after the labor goup since the pay was below industry ........remember who was the co chair on the creditors committee? it was ALPA



stop making up s----

settle the contract and move on

 

[sniper]

Lawsuits is Hawaii were six years ago. Light years in the regional airline biz. Mesa is a much different company today. N

six years ok but you still spend the mesa register

 

[sniper]

What you do not understand is the role of the creditors committee. They were pushing very very hard for an 1113? Just ask those who were there.

ask those who were there? haha


now that is funny........

hold on a second ,,,,,,,,ah i did asked them and they confirmed what i am saying.




now go settle the contract so you dont lose the 175s from united


run CP run

 

[Gr82Aviate]

ask those who were there? haha


now that is funny........

hold on a second ,,,,,,,,ah i did asked them and they confirmed what i am saying.




now go settle the contract so you dont lose the 175s from united


run CP run

I thought Rene was J.O. !uke:

 

[sniper]

Actions speak louder than words do... If you mean what you are saying at the above statement and since you are on the table the settle the contract which you drag your feet on the the last 3 years