2nd interview w/ SWA

[Torpid]

I know MANY of us are comming up on the one year mark for the "thanks but no thanks" letter we received after interviewing @ SWA. Has anybody been called for a second interview yet? I just wonder if they're going to go through all the apps of those who haven't interviewed yet before calling us rejects?

 

[milflyboy]

Not wanting a be a party pooper, but I don't see why they would call anyone for a second interview if they still have competitive applicants they haven't talked to yet.

I am still waiting for my first ;o)

Hope we both get the call soon though

 

[PseudoName]

Not wanting a be a party pooper, but I don't see why they would call anyone for a second interview if they still have competitive applicants they haven't talked to yet.

I am still waiting ;o)

Not to be a party pooper either. Your profile show that you have 2500TT. How can you justify that you are competitive? .....because you are military and believe that 1 hour military time equals 4 hours civilian time?

 

[KTHornet]

PseudoName,

Since we're all pooping at the party, I have seen a name or two on the lounge interview roster for their second try (after a year wait) whose creds did compare with milflyboy.

KT

 

[Phaedrus]

pseudoname,
It appears that you have some issues. Milflyboy doesn't need to "justify" his competitiveness. That is done by the folks who decide who will get an interview. Judging by KTHornet's (SWAFO) TT I'd say Milflyboy is quite competitive, yet what I believe is irrelevant, as is what you believe.
Chill out

 

[scoreboard]

PseudoName must love Jane Fonda

Not to be a party pooper either. Your profile show that you have 2500TT. How can you justify that you are competitive? .....because you are military and believe that 1 hour military time equals 4 hours civilian time?

Seems pseudo loves to slam the military who get a break, reference his other posts under different subjects...

Dude, get off the high horse.

 

[milflyboy]

Not to be a pa

rty pooper either. Your profile show that you have 2500TT. How can you justify that you are competitive? .....because you are military and believe that 1 hour military time equals 4 hours civilian time?

I don't know exactly what SWA considers competitive, but I seriously doubt that TT is that important. Jet PIC is however and I have 2K+ of that.



No, I don't believe that 1 hour military time equals 4 hours civilian time. More like 6-10 hours

No, just kidding. A lot of civilian flying is pretty demanding too. But I am sure I make more decisions and do more hands on flying in one hour than the AVERAGE civilian pilot does. But it is very hard to compare the two. Both have plusses and minuses.



Flying experience is not just hours. I have been a pilot in the Air Force for 15 years and when I wasn't briefing, flying or debriefing I was dealing with flying in other ways.

 

[holmie]

I to am curious about getting a second shot. Hell there must be close to 1000 folks that got shot down last year, myself included. I do know that before the post 9/11 meltdown in the industry , people were hired on there 3rd time at bat. I still have a month to go but am at present sitting in the desert. Good luck to those that get a second chance.

 

[aroundtheblock]

It used to be a 2 year wait between shot downs. Was this reduced recently to 1 year?

 

[canyonblue]

But I am sure I make more decisions and do more hands on flying in one hour than the AVERAGE civilian pilot does.

Ever heard of a Jetstream 32?

All kidding aside, the career military pilot will not get as much total time as a civilian pilot so the comparison is nil. If total time was the lone factor in pilot hiring, we would be losing out on a bunch of great pilots who just happened to fly in the Military or Corporate world. There has to be an adjustment, and Southwest obviously has one in place. I would not expect a Regional Airline pilot with 2500 hours to be hired at Southwest, unless he could come up with some good explanation on the lack of total time when his peers are accumulating that at a much higher rate. The disproportionate amount of hours could also apply to a corporate pilot. Pilots at a Regional accumulate time at a faster rate than any other pilot group. To expect that standard to apply to the others would rob Southwest of the diverse pilot group we enjoy here. After about 2000 hours it doesn't make much of a difference, so the amount of time a Military pilot has to put in to get 2,500 hours, a Regional guy should have around 6,000 in that time. Many of my best trips have been with ex-military and ex-corporate pilots, and I am glad we hired them. It is fair, and Southwest is better off for it.

 

[aroundtheblock]

I'm all for the hiring of pilots from different backgrounds, but to say a military pilot with 2500 hours is a better airline pilot candidate than a commuter pilot with 5000 hours is a crock. Granted, if you are hiring someone to land on an aircraft carrier in low visibility than yes, the military guy might be a better choice. But the commuter guy has been flying in the civilain community, usually to the same exact airports that these major airline fly into same airports as Southwest or other majors fly into. The decisions, planning, and skills needed to do the job are accomplished many time per day by the commuter/corporate pilot. Now if you need someone to fly in formation or to be an ROTC supervisor, then maybe a military guy is hands down a better candidate. I'll put my or other civilian pilot airline pilot skills, decisions, and professionalism up against any military guy who thinks he is the better pilot. I'm not saying a military guy is not a good pilot, I've flown with many good ones (and bad ones), but they don't always make the elite airline pilots they think they are.

 

[Phaedrus]

"Now if you need someone to fly in formation or to be an ROTC supervisor..."
Huh?
Flip it. Now if you need someone to fly in to LaGuardia with weather at Cat III mins or make the popcorn at an FBO, then maybe a civilian guy is hands down a better candidate.
Being a ROTC "supervisor" has nothing at all to do with being a pilot. This is what makes this whole debate amusing to me. Civilian pilots (generalization of necessity) have no clue what a mil pilot does. Likewise, but I believe to a lesser degree, the mil pilot generally doesn't know the life of a civ pilot. What is it that sets off the civ v. mil debate? Who gives a rat's @ss what your background is? You either cut it or you don't. If there's envy involved because you can't understand why a mil pilot gets the nod with 2500 TT over a civ pilot with 5000 TT, get over it. That's not the mil guy/gal's call. If it isn't envy, what is it? Is it the perceived arrogance of some mil pilots. Granted. As has been stated many times, there are good and bad in both sectors. And in my experience I've never met ANY pilot that is as good as he/she thinks they are. That's part of being a pilot

 

[milflyboy]

Canyonblue got it right. There is no way we military pilots could be competitive unless there was some kind of adjustment.
I am not familiar with the Jetstream 32 but I am assuming it is high work load (I did put an AVERAGE in there )

Aroundtheblock I never said one type of pilot was better than the other. Yes, a commuter/corporate pilot will most likely adapt quicker into the major world and initially be more comfortable flying the line. But being able to do the daily business and flying the line is not what majors are selecting pilots after. Most pilots can accomplish this without a problem. European majors even hired 300 hour pilots back when things looked a little better (Granted, the JAA ATPL does prepare you better). No, the majors want to make sure you are ready to deal with the unexpected and when it comes to that it doesn't matter if you have proven yourself landing on an Aircraft Carrier in rough conditions or been caught behind a Squall line in a Piper Aztec single engine.

 

[FracCapt]

I am not familiar with the Jetstream 32 but I am assuming it is high work load (I did put an AVERAGE in there )

You should know by now.....none of us on this board are AVERAGE pilots.....we're ALL exceptional pilots...at least in our own eyes! Truth be told, I'm a mediocre pilot....but I hope SWA wants guys like me, too!

 

[aroundtheblock]

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But being able to do the daily business and flying the line is not what majors are selecting pilots after.

This is exactly what they are hiring for. Having done that, before being furloughed, that was all they wanted from me.

[/QUOTE]
No, the majors want to make sure you are ready to deal with the unexpected.

The unexpected, yes, and dealing with it by using your experiences from flying the line.

Now if you need someone to fly in to LaGuardia with weather at Cat III mins...then maybe a civilian guy is hands down a better candidate.

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Not wanting a be a party pooper, but I don't see why they would call anyone for a second interview if they still have competitive applicants they haven't talked to yet.

I am still waiting for my first ;o)

Hope we both get the call soon though

MILF ly Boy,

Southwest has interviewed many 2 or 3 times and has hired on the 2nd or 3rd attempt. If this has changed in the last 2 years, so be it. But that's how it was before '03.

They also don't let you sit in the pool longer than someone interviewed and typed after you due to the whims of the hiring department. (can you say UPS?) Very professional and they will give you another shot or two or three. We had someone on their 4th interview in my new hire class.

 

[HoursHore]

Now if you need someone to fly in to LaGuardia with weather at Cat III mins...then maybe a civilian guy is hands down a better candidate.

Finally, someone who agrees with me.



Why? Civ pilots can monitor the autoland that much better?

 

[learherkjay]

Hourshore,

Congrats on the FEDEX job!

 

[HoursHore]

Hourshore,

Congrats on the FEDEX job!

Thanks. Say hi to all the 32d dudes.

 

[chase]

It used to be a 2 year wait between shot downs. Was this reduced recently to 1 year?

The call back is now 1 year from the date of your interview....folks who interviewed in Feb/Mar of last year were told initially it would be a 2 year wait...that changed shortly after that to 1 year.....good luck!!!