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CHICAGO (Reuters) - A pilots committee at United Airlines agreed late Friday to take up to $2.2 billion in wage cuts over five and a half years -- including an immediate 18 percent reduction -- and help the struggling carrier win federal backing of a big loan needed to avoid bankruptcy.

The pilots' master executive council will present the agreement to rank-and-file members for endorsement. The United branch of the Air Line Pilots Association has about 8,800 active members.

There was no indication of whether or not they would approve the agreement.

Captain Paul Whiteford, head of the council and a member of the UAL Corp. (NYSE UAL - News) board of directors, said in an interview that the 18-percent pay cut is scheduled to take effect December 1.

"We start with an 18 percent cut and then get some build-back in 2004," he said, returning to today's wages by the year 2008.

Details of the agreement were not released.

The Air Line Pilots Association is one of five labor groups negotiating with management at United, based in the Chicago suburb of Elk Grove Village, Illinois. Among the biggest unions, the machinists and flight attendants still have not reached their deals.

THE FIRST MAJOR DEAL

Recently, a coalition of the five unions agreed to $5.8 billion in wage cuts over five and a half years, but each union then began talking to management individually. Whiteford said the pilots' portion of the givebacks represents about 40 percent of total amount.

United had to obtain the wage cuts to win federal loan backing for 90 percent of a $2.0 billion loan. The No. 2 U.S. airline, which has some of the highest labor costs in the industry, applied for the assistance in late June but has not yet gotten approval from the Air Transportation Stabilization Board.

The company faces big fourth quarter debt payments, the first of which is scheduled for November 17.

The board was created to dole out up to $10 billion in guarantees to private sector loans after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks threw the airline industry into a tailspin.

Without a federal loan guarantee, United is expected to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection before the end of the year.

The airline is burning through more than $7 million daily as the demand for air travel remains below normal levels and fares stay low.

"We've taken a leadership role," Whiteford said. "If we don't get the loan, we'll be talking about an in-court restructuring.
 
Yeah, the deal also includes up to 600 additional furloughs. Got the ERP II breakdown by e-mail, I guess it could be a lot worse. Sure hope this is the ticket !
 
Just went through my re-qual and am back flying again. But, looks like I might be going back to AK next spring for some more great flying!

This could be a great gig....working the summers in SE AK and the winters flying a 737....hmmmm....

One thing that puzzles me though is that since I've been back I keep getting called out for trips (I'm on reserve) even though we seem to have twice as many F/O's as we do lines of flying in my domicile/seat/fleet. Every time I've called to see what number I am for callout, the computer tells me I'm #1!??!?!

So, will the company exercise their "right" to furlough all 600? Only time will tell.

Preparing for a few years away from the friendly skies.

Good luck to all of us.

GP
 
Only thing that will save the 600 is starting back up the Shuttle. Looks like the Whales are on their way out and considering the staffing needs after that, looks like a long time on the street if ever getting recalled.

Humble
844er
 
Reserve Usage

GuppyPuppy,

Just relaying my own experiences here and not really speculating. The three months before my March 1 furlough I was sitting reserve in ORD. Despite the fact that we were "overmanned" I was called out pretty much every day available. I would get ACARSed in flight with my next assignment, met at the gate, you name it; I was the man. In fact in December I flew something like 83 hard hours.....not DH or field standby, but hard hours. January was similar. Then on Jan 28 I got the call saying we don't need as many pilots as we have so you can have the next several years off. I couldn't believe how thin we were and here I was getting furloughed. I called in sick for February and the rest is history. Oh well, such is life. I've enjoyed the spring, summer, fall, and now winter with my wife and boys.

Good luck,

Slug
 
Slug,

Congrats on the job offer at SWA. Did you have the Type while you were at UAL or did you race off to get it and then get a quick interview? I was let go from UAL in October and didn't get the type until last summer. Now im wishing I would have done it quicker even thought it took forever for the WIA funds to come my way....(Utah wouldn't give me any but the nice folks in ILL. came through for me).
 
And speaking of the Shuttle...

I wouldn't be surprised to see it re-started. It's time to get innovative. If it was a good idea once, how did it lose favor? Oh yeah... the smartest guy in the world was running strategic planning.

It may not be tomorrow, but some form will be back I believe.

Hang in.

UAL78
 

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