1200 hours

[flagshipper]

I will second that the caravan is probably some of the most pointless time in your logbook besides single engine piston. If your stuck in one with low hours then it can be extremely difficult to move out of the plane. You dont have multi pic you dont have complex time you dont have any experience with a fast airplane. The thing I hear from all the long term van guys is that they love the airplane and would never leave. I think they all say that because where would they go? They aren't current in anything but singles and how are you gonna get a pay raise changing to another single. So they stay put and brainwash themselves into thinking the van is a good airplane. Van pilots are a special breed who have no desire to advance and dont mind never breaking 40k a year. Sorry to be blunt but that is how it appears to me. My van time has done nothing for my career and it is only the fastest plane at the airport from 3 miles in.

 

[Flysher]

I will second that the caravan is probably some of the most pointless time in your logbook besides single engine piston. If your stuck in one with low hours then it can be extremely difficult to move out of the plane. You dont have multi pic you dont have complex time you dont have any experience with a fast airplane. The thing I hear from all the long term van guys is that they love the airplane and would never leave. I think they all say that because where would they go? They aren't current in anything but singles and how are you gonna get a pay raise changing to another single. So they stay put and brainwash themselves into thinking the van is a good airplane. Van pilots are a special breed who have no desire to advance and dont mind never breaking 40k a year. Sorry to be blunt but that is how it appears to me. My van time has done nothing for my career and it is only the fastest plane at the airport from 3 miles in.

yea all good points. Oh well, at least Im flying multiengines also.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Right now FN FAL must be turning in his banned grave.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

Do most Ameriflight new hires go directly into the Navajo?

Most do, but if you have the required time and are willing to take a little more obscure outstation run, you could come in direct to the BE99 or possibly even SA227. Go to the company web site and check out "Current Openings" under the pilot employment section.

 

[Captain Oveur]

Everyone is fixating on what looks best in your logbook. True, that is
important in some ways, and I know, heaven forbid you should ever get
stuck flying something that doesn't burn kerosene. BUT! Piston single time is
where I really learned how to be a part of the IFR system, and where I
learned a lot of lessons about weather.
LEARNING-----MORE impotant than turbine time

 

[dpilot83]

Most do, but if you have the required time and are willing to take a little more obscure outstation run...

Define required time please? Thanks

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

Define required time please? Thanks

"Book" times for the 99 are 1800 total and 350 AMEL PIC. Turbine time and additional AMEL could possibly get you in with less total. The main thing I would say is put in your online app and give them a call.

 

[time builder]

Three reasons to avoid the caravan:
1. Multiengine time is typically much more valuable, even if it is piston driven. 2. They don't do well in icing conditions.
3. I'll second Eatsleepfly's beef, it stinks getting stuck behind them in the evening cargo rush. You could be going 170+ on approach, or restricted to 140 behind a Caravan.

 

[Flysher]

Three reasons to avoid the caravan:
1. Multiengine time is typically much more valuable, even if it is piston driven. 2. They don't do well in icing conditions.
3. I'll second Eatsleepfly's beef, it stinks getting stuck behind them in the evening cargo rush. You could be going 170+ on approach, or restricted to 140 behind a Caravan.

Now i gotta come in on this one, I routinely do 170 on approaches at least until 800-1000 agl then i start slowing down. But thats the one place that it IS sorta fast, is on approach.

Matter of fact, ive gotten yelled at in charlotte for having to much overtake on a regional jet twice.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Don't worry, the Van drivers are getting yelled at all the time. It's just that ATC usually keys the mike when they are doing it.

Btw, do the give the Martex guys special training in jackassing a plane around the ramp during Indoc? God help one of you if the brakes ever go out on one fo those things.

 

[DirtyBeech]

"Book" times for the 99 are 1800 total and 350 AMEL PIC. Turbine time and additional AMEL could possibly get you in with less total. The main thing I would say is put in your online app and give them a call.

AND GIVE THEM A CALL! I can't emphasize that enough.

 

[time builder]

Now i gotta come in on this one, I routinely do 170 on approaches at least until 800-1000 agl then i start slowing down. But thats the one place that it IS sorta fast, is on approach.

Well, yeah. Follow company policy and put in your gear before leaving 1500 AGL, you gotta slow down.
I'm talkin' about the extended approach, descending 30miles from the airport and getting speed restricted cuz there's a Van up ahead.

 

[Flysher]

ah i see

 

[OzBushWhacker]

How bout ACC?

 

[shortbus driver]

Not funny

I am just looking for a job, I don't care about turbine time, I have 800 plus hours of my 1200, I would like PIC or just the pay. I could go to the right seat of something for ok pay and QOL, but I cannot go to ACC so thats not very funny. Oz you know why, we've hung out...and you bring this up

 

[Boris Badenov]

If you don't care what you fly, Flight Express isn't a bad gig. $10/duty hour which works out to around $2800/month if you don't mind being on duty for 14 hours a day and spending some of them sleeping in a recliner. Yeah, it's a 210, but it's PIC. Plus, they're ALWAYS hiring. If you have the time, a pulse, and can pass training, you're in.

 

[missionarypilot]

Doggin' on the Caravan

Back before I got my commercial license I knew a pilot flying freight out of GSO who let me sit in the right seat one night. Flying back into GSO ATC told us to "reduce speed to 160"...guess there was something slower ahead of us. Me and the pilot looked at each other and busted up laughing...of course I was just happy just to fly something burning kerosene...heck, I'd still be happy to!

 

[OzBushWhacker]

My bad.

 

[Photoflight]

Everyones hiring....just pick where you wanna live and find a job there.

 

[RefugePilot]

I am just looking for a job, I don't care about turbine time, I have 800 plus hours of my 1200, I would like PIC or just the pay. I could go to the right seat of something for ok pay and QOL, but I cannot go to ACC so thats not very funny. Oz you know why, we've hung out...and you bring this up

Don't waist any more time getting SIC, it is worthless at this point. Your total time does not count for anything unless it there is some PIC involved. The only reason to put up with logging any more SIC is because you will upgrades soon with that company, or you are making good money as SIC, like that will happen.

Nothing is more important than PIC multi, unless it is PIC tubine, or PIC Jet. Do whatever it takes to start building these numbers in your logbook.

Maybe I am biased as a I work for Ameriflight, but it seems like it would be your best option. Flight express will start you off in a C210 and with Airnet you may get in a Van to start off. You will go staight into a Navajo with Ameriflight, and start building some PIC multi.

All freight companies are now they are desperate for pilots, and are even hiring straight into the BE99 if you had some PIC you would have a chance but with mostly SIC you will have to start in a PA31.

Between interiewing and training you are a few months out, so fill out your apps today, and start calling.

Good Luck