12 of Comairs 70's going to Skywest

[79%N1]

Ah, genius.....nobody can control weather or ATC flow, slowdowns, etc. SFO, LAX, DEN ARE NOT ATL!!! They do not consistantly try to shove 10 lbs of sh1t into a 5 lb bag. In fact, nevermind. You join the General and a couple of your idiot buddies on my evergrowing ignore list.

 

[Tarzan]

XPOOP,
Comparing apples to apples, OO is 2.5% better on time at SLC than ASA. And we run quite a few less through there so one foul up shoots the numbers pretty badly.

Your on time performance at ORD is 71%. I am sure the goal is farther up than that. We ran better than that with Trans States.

So far as ATL goes, sure the performance for on time sucks at 51% but 24% of that comes from ATC alone. That doesn't count for the BS on the ramp or the garbage DA hands the company to build with lines. Heck, Delta mainline is only 65% and they have adaquate ramp space (to some degree).

Once again, get over yourself. There is alot more that goes into a plane leaving on time beside you sitting in the cockpit spinning your whiz wheel. Any jerkoff can get a plane out on time if thats all there was to it.

For the record before starting here, I thought ORD was a tough place to turn a plane and get good numbers. ATL makes that place look like a day at the fair.

 

[HelloNewman]

Ahhh the good ol east coast excuse. Many airlines loves to hide a lot of their problems under the guise of weather and ATC. If you dig deeper you will find its really the airline that is the problem overall. Sure there are ATC delays but lets face it most airlines like to bury their dirty little secrets under the ATC/weather excuse. Nice try though.

 

[79%N1]

And welcome to the ignore list Newman. Say hello to D'Angelo.

 

[sweptback]

And welcome to the ignore list Newman. Say hello to D'Angelo.

They know each other... I think they share a room in their mom's basement.

 

[AdolphOlivrbush]

Oh for the love of Pete, ya'll are embarassing! "my job's harder than yours...it's the SkyW pilots fault...everybody is trying to hold me down...I get paid $110K/yr...etc etc etc". Absolutely embarassing.

When the flying day is over and at the layover there is a crew from SkyW, ASA, AE, Comair, you name it, we are all good folks who enjoy airplanes and are trying to make a living at it. Everybody on FI talks a lot of tough ********************, but when you are sitting across from another pilot drinking a beer, you have your tail tucked. To honestly think that it's the pilots at SkyW that are hostile towards you, trying to take over "your" flying, undercutting you, kidnapping your QoL, you are full of it. We go to work to wiggle the stick and push the buttons like everybody else. The difference here is we have leadership that is actually somewhat competent. If you are so bitter, call up your mgt pukes and tell them how to run your airline. I've never seen a group of folks who all think they have MBAs and 40yrs experience running an airline. Ya'll just bitch about the same stuff day in and day out when the whole industry is so much more complicated than just our typical pilot B.S.

Calling another pilot group a bunch of whores is absolutely ridiculous. We all had choices when we sent out the apps and interviewed...you had yours too. You still do. If you don't like it, get out. Many of us are very humble and realistic about additional flying. We understand it can go just as quickly as it came. We feel for the other pilots. None of us start cheering to hear that another pilot might be out of work. That is absurd. Get over yourself. And when the time comes to lose some of this flying, so be it. It's part of the business. If you don't like it, get out. We won't miss you.

Everybody bitches that SkyW flies the 70 for 50 seat rates. And then we get the BOH pay proposal...yet that still makes us whores I guess because it's an override, not a split rate. YGTBSM. Will we be getting more $$ to fly the 70, yes. Okay, then to me that is a different rate.

This is an honest question...why would we not want to vote in the current pay proposal? Is there anything that says once it's voted in, ALPA can't come on property (not saying they'll get my vote)? So why not take the pay raise now, and at least be making more while you wait the few years for ALPA to renegotiate a new contract? Doesn't make sense to me to shoot it down. Yes, I understand the 1% 50 raise is a joke, and I agree the E-120 guys should have a raise, but 5-8% over the next few years could be worse. The alternative is to make the same money or less. Most folks are giving consessions, and we are being offered more money. I'll vote yes.

Fire away with all of the well thought out, constructive, objective, and most definately...mature posts.

 

[HelloNewman]

good post Adolph. There is no reason to not vote in the current proposal. It is a perfect way to offset the union dues on the off chance that alpa gets voted in. It sucks for the Brasillia guys but if/when they goto the jet they can make the over ride

 

[www.]

Ask them next year when they are captains. Any questions? Didnt think so...

Yeah, is that really you in the picture or did someone just push your stool in for your?

 

[Caveman]

I have been flying on SKYW for a lot of years, being from the west coast. You guys have a good operation with good people. However, to those of you who say you have no control over where airplanes go, I call BS.

When you decided to fly for one rate, you stuck a knife in the backs of many regional pilots. When you decided to not fight when the one rate was supposed to be done, you twisted that knife.

Unfortunately, management makes the decisions on where airplanes go based largely on what pilots are willing to fly them for. So, while you didn't directly ask to fly Comair or ASA airplanes, you provided the motivation for management to give them to you, i.e. you do have some control over the situation.

Nobody is asking for you to refuse them. We are asking for you to get your chit together and raise your pay on the 70/90. I don't care if you do it with ALPA or without, just do it.

Again, I am not angry. I respect your pilot group. I hope you have the same respect for ours. When I hear you defending yourselves, as if you meant no harm to other groups, that angers me because it is ignorant. Maybe your single rate wasn't intended by you as a slap to our face, but it is being used that way by your management, and you are allowing them to get away with it, even defending it. Please try to take a look at the consequences for other DCI pilots. Furloughs, pay cuts, displacements, downgrades, relocation, starting over somewhere else, lack of bargaining power, etc. Even if you don't care about us, do it for yourselves, because it will eventually come full circle and bite you back.

Well said D.

Back when SKW agreed to the single rate everyone here on FI tried to tell them that this was a big mistake and that it wasn't going to last only 18 months like management said it would. Fast forward to today. Any questions?

I agree that most of the pilots at SKW or any airline are good folks just trying to pay the mortgage. Pilots don't bid for flying, management does. Unfortunately, the pilots at any given airline either knowingly or unwittingly aid and abet their managment. None of us operate in a vacuum. Whatever my company does regarding pilot compensation WILL have a ripple effect throughout the industry with anyone flying similar equipment.

The other certainty is that what goes around, comes around. By that I mean whenever a potential whipsaw environment exists the current top dog will ALWAYS have their turn at a fall from grace. It's as certain as the sun comes up. Beware SkyWest pilots. You are the new target of mainline management. You'll be singing for a while, but eventually you'll be taken down by another lower bidder. Happens every time. I take no pleasure in that prediction. It's just the circle of life in the connection airline business. I also don't have the faintest idea of how to break the cycle.

To my former Comair brethren, good luck guys and gals. It was a good run for a few years. We did a great job back in '01 but, as I stated above, we didn't operate in a vacuum. We needed everyone else to pull on the rope and unfortunately, that didn't happen. To be fair, the industry took a huge hit right after we settled and the others that took their turn had a different paradigm to deal with. C'est la vie......

 

[~~~^~~~]

Ahhh the good ol east coast excuse. Many airlines loves to hide a lot of their problems under the guise of weather and ATC. If you dig deeper you will find its really the airline that is the problem overall.

If you look at the DOT stats Delta, Airtran and ASA share the bottom of the list - wonder what they have in common? Maybe closing down a runway for construction at the world's busiest airport that peaks in excess 115 arrivals per hour has something to do with delays.

Are you D'Angelo?