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100 multi hrs for 5,500 bones

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Utah,
exactly right, the guy committed a crime. As I said before, your argument justifies any means necessary to the end goal. I didn't say PFT was a crime, but it is an unacceptable method of "timebuilding" for reasons stated before.
Maybe you and positive rate should read and try to understand before ranting about how great PFT is.
On the interview side: I've spoken with several interviewers who dislike PFT and although don't consider it an automatic exclusion, you will have to work twice as hard to prove yourself. It's like having an accident/incident on your record.
 
GEEZ

Did everyone forget the basicsof what is does to the industry?

If you let the employers know they can get away with making you pay fot it, WHY pay you?

Once one does it they all join in and it becomes the norm like in the early 90's. It has to be accepted by everybody then because it is the standerd! THat is what some of you are not understanding. When it becomes standard we can't all do it, but no matter what if you go the traditional way, you will always make it! It may take a little longer, but youcan always make it. If it is standard, only the wealthy and those with great credit will make it and no one else will have the chance. Lets make everybody even and do away with PFT.

I don't really feel like anyone comming and saying it wasn't ever the standard, because if you don't remember 10,000 for flight saftey to get you regional job back in 1993-1997 you need to remain silent. It was standard and took years to stop it and tons of us leaving the field to force them to pay us once again.

Don't give them a reason to make it industry standard to pay for training.

Signed,

10yrs as a pilot, worked my A$$ off and NEVER PAID FOR TRAINING.
 
I thought to add my own opinion on the subject. Admittedly, I am not a pilot, but am considering it in a few years. Nevertheless, I believe my opinion may be of interest.

All the talk above about "we will not stoop to their level" and "I personally have the honor to not take this job" or "we should band together, it isn't fair the company isn't paying us"; all of this is simply crap. Whether you like it or not, every working individual in this nation is a "whore" in the absolute sense. We all work for money. That's it, nothing more. Very few of us would ever go to work if we weren't paid - so we exchange our time and work for cash.

Furthermore, it is nowhere written down in this FREE MARKET ECONOMY that a company "shouldn't" do anything they like (as long as it is legal). If a company can get away by "selling" the right seat to those interested in turboprop time, then by all means, they should be allowed to do so. If a pilot is willing to pay the 18 grand, it is a win-win situation for both individuals.

To get my PPL, I have to pay to rent the plane and buy the CFI's time. In fact, to get many things in life (be it training, dinner, entertainment, rent, anything!), I have to pay for them. It doesn't matter that Gulfstream is receiving your service in flying their passengers around; you are paying for turboprop time. Conceptually, you couldn't care less if there are people in the back seat. Why should that matter that the company is also making money of paying passengers? Same number of turbo ME hours for you. You agreed to pay the 18 grand and you knew that you would be flying revenue passengers; it must be worth it TO YOU then. Some would say that isn't "fair". Concepts of "fairness" don't exist in business. Though many pilots are interested in being paid based on "fairness" and believe that their service is especially valuable, and therefore should be paid more - they are also full of crap.

The bottom line is that anyone's "service" is worth exactly as much as someone is willing to pay for it. I may think that I flip burgers especially well and should be paid $10 an hour since McDonald's Corporation makes millions in profit each year. But the bottom line is that Mickey D's will hire anyone they please - and there is some guy standing behind me that will work for less. That is the way a free market, capitalist economy such as ours works. Sometimes its harsh, but that's the reality of our nation. If you can't stand this reality, then you aren't ready to accept both the pros and cons of living in a free nation with the protected rights to pursue life and liberty. Perhaps you should consider a more pro-social government such as France and Denmark.

If you've got the money and think the Gulfstream deal is worth the turboprop time you receive, go for it. Otherwise, lay off. The reason that so many people turn away from this valid option is because others harp on it so much, and are resentful of someone spending the 18k they weren't willing to borrow themselves.

Don't kid yourself about fairness in this industry, or any other in the US. College is "pay for training", as zillions of other options to advance your skills in this nation- and there simply isn't anything wrong in doing so. You have to be realistic to suceed in any career, and one of those realizations is that you simply do what you have to do to advance your own interests. Choose your path wisely, and don't take anyone's advice without a grain of salt (mine included). Don't forget there isn't any "fairness" in this nation, so don't get bogged down in it. Just do what it takes.
 
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