1 YEAR AT AirTran!

[IAHERJ]

SemperFido,

Judging by the number of posts you have made on this site, I'd say you are pretty familiar with what goes on here. Talking about money etc. is pretty much off limits in most social circles and I don't think anyone one here would disagree. However, I don't know your name as you don't know mine. This area on the site has and will continue to provide important information about the airlines that are currently hiring to those who are either in the training pipeline, or are seeking out employment with an airline. Most of us would never walk up to an airline pilot from an airline we were interested in and point blank ask him what he made his 1st year. This forum provides those type of answers to people who have the couth not to ask this type of question in an inappropriate way. Get it? All of the airline pay scales are public information however each contract differs greatly making a direct comparison using hourly wages only very difficult. Having someone give out the realistic #'s on here as an anynomous poster helps out others.

IAHERJ

 

[jehtplane]

It has been a full year now since my employment at AirTran.
Thought I'll post some numbers as info for those looking into this fine airline:

Class start: June 3-04
Sim ride: July 17-04
OE start: July 24-04
OE end : July 28-04

Total flight hours from June 04 to May 05: 728 hrs
Total credit payed from June 04 to May 05: 1021 hrs

Total gross from june 04 to may 05: $45,578


It has been a great ride and I'm looking forward to a great second year.
Recurrent and PC is scheduled for July\\\

UPDATE: August 04 Build up line
Sept. 04 RESV
OCT. 04 RESV
NOV. 04 Stand UP
DEC 04 on Hard line

Today, I show 154 pilots between me and the first capt in training.
Behind me, I show 274 pilots including the ones on training.


No gloating here just honest info.


Blue skies everyone...

Who cares!

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Who cares!

Do you know someone named Semperfido?

 

[semperfido]

SemperFido,

Judging by the number of posts you have made on this site, I'd say you are pretty familiar with what goes on here. Talking about money etc. is pretty much off limits in most social circles and I don't think anyone one here would disagree. However, I don't know your name as you don't know mine. This area on the site has and will continue to provide important information about the airlines that are currently hiring to those who are either in the training pipeline, or are seeking out employment with an airline. Most of us would never walk up to an airline pilot from an airline we were interested in and point blank ask him what he made his 1st year. This forum provides those type of answers to people who have the couth not to ask this type of question in an inappropriate way. Get it? All of the airline pay scales are public information however each contract differs greatly making a direct comparison using hourly wages only very difficult. Having someone give out the realistic #'s on here as an anynomous poster helps out others.

IAHERJ

well said - didn't see it that way originally.

 

[STL717]

Oh Ty.......

Upgrades are running about two and a half years, Semper Fubar, so put that in your C.V. and schmoke it. . . .

The twelfth year pay here is comparable to Legacy SNB pay, and I suspect that a eighth year CA (and up) here has a better schedule than his 8 yr CA Legacy counterpart, if such an animal exists.

Semper Fool- why don't you go back to your ivory tower and play with your sheepskin. . . . .!

What is a SNB???????

 

[Ty Webb]

What is a SNB???????

Small Narrow Body. DC9, 737-700

Per our contract, a 737-800 is a LNB, large narrow body, and carries a pay override.

 

[75M]

STL717,

I know exactly what you were getting at!

 

[Ty Webb]

STL717,

I know exactly what you were getting at!

Well, I'm a little slow . . . . how's about filling me in on the joke?

 

[EMBATP]

first year...

to compare..year one ends on 06/29, projected line for july yields the following...


total block....708
total credit...1109

total pay...$47,416.60
total per diem..$3833.22

total pay year one...$51,252.82

training...06/29 to ioe on 10/08/04
build up line november (includes some reserve)
straight reserve december
build up line january 2005 (no reserve)
hard lines since then...no stand up lines.. some removed for IOE trips..

just to compare with the other guy..
i also try for an average of 90 hour plus lines average 13+ days off...

 

[AV8700]

make it 2 games to 1

Make it 2 games to 2

 

[Steeler Fan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by islandhoper
It has been a full year now since my employment at AirTran.
Thought I'll post some numbers as info for those looking into this fine airline:

Class start: June 3-04
Sim ride: July 17-04
OE start: July 24-04
OE end : July 28-04

Total flight hours from June 04 to May 05: 728 hrs
Total credit payed from June 04 to May 05: 1021 hrs

Total gross from june 04 to may 05: $45,578


It has been a great ride and I'm looking forward to a great second year.
Recurrent and PC is scheduled for July\\\

UPDATE: August 04 Build up line
Sept. 04 RESV
OCT. 04 RESV
NOV. 04 Stand UP
DEC 04 on Hard line

Today, I show 154 pilots between me and the first capt in training.
Behind me, I show 274 pilots including the ones on training.


No gloating here just honest info.


Blue skies everyone...

Who cares!

1. People who are about to start training with AirTran
2. People who are applying/considering applying to AirTran
3. Me--Congrats Island Hopper--I'm glad to see that hard work has paid off for you--I also think that people appreciate the info (well, most people anyway).

 

[GogglesPisano]

only on standup lines (may not be assigned any non-standup trips), No more than 3 in a row, no more than 2 legs, must return you to domicile, must have 3 calender days off after any standup sequence (regardless of how many you did), min 11hrs sched rest in domicile between stand ups, minimum 6hrs sched ground time, hotel must be provided, hotel transportation must be curbside upon arrival or taxi reimbursement provided, etc...

Personally I hate stand-ups. Having said that those are some pretty nice contractual limitations right there.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Whate are the odds of a new-hire getting the 737? Also, any plans on taking delivery of the -800.

Tanks.

 

[matchthehatch]

Well, I'm a little slow . . . . how's about filling me in on the joke?

SNB. It's also a term of endearment we former TWAers have for our American "brethren".

 

[BigMotorToter]

SNB...

S- (4 letters). The healing process one gets from having a cut. Or when someone try's to better him/herself at the expense of others.

N- (4 letters). The politcal party that controlled Germany in the late 1930's to mid 1940's. Also responsible for the attempted elimination of a group of people that they deemed inferior to themselves.

B- (7 letters). An illegitimate child or a person lacking in genuineness; spurious; false; adulterate; applied to things which resemble those which are genuine, but are really not so.

Put the three words together and it describes your friendly neighborhood native AA pilot.

 

[b757driver]

I see that AT are actively hiring (according to climbto350 & their own website). Just wondering if it's worth my while submitting a resume even if I don't have the "required" 121 PIC or military equiv of 500 hours. I DO have 1400+ PIC but not 121 and I also have 6000+ SIC on THREE types of jets on which I'm type rated. Plus I am rated on B737NGs with time on type. Clearly, on paper, these should more than compensate any perceived deficiency in 121 PIC time.
Also, I don't know anyone at AirTran, so don't want to waste my time nor theirs if the only in is via a LOR. Just looking for some honest answers as I have played the game more times than I care to remember. Thanks in advance

 

[FL717]

I see that AT are actively hiring (according to climbto350 & their own website). Just wondering if it's worth my while submitting a resume even if I don't have the "required" 121 PIC or military equiv of 500 hours. I DO have 1400+ PIC but not 121 and I also have 6000+ SIC on THREE types of jets on which I'm type rated. Plus I am rated on B737NGs with time on type. Clearly, on paper, these should more than compensate any perceived deficiency in 121 PIC time.
Also, I don't know anyone at AirTran, so don't want to waste my time nor theirs if the only in is via a LOR. Just looking for some honest answers as I have played the game more times than I care to remember. Thanks in advance

You are MORE than qualified to fly for AirTran.... (or any airline for that matter)..... however..... as far as I have seen.... and as far as I know..... AirTran will only consider you for Pilot employment if you have 121 PIC time or Military time.

I am hoping that this changes..... soon..... because there are plenty of good people that this bias eliminates from the selection process ..... and this self imposed bias creates a limitation, and in the process increases the potential for hiring the wrong person.

 

[b757driver]

"Wedo not discriminate according to age, sex, religion, color of your eyes, family hi

FL717,
Thanks for your reply. I am more than familiar with some airlines policy of "rated, but not related" and is EXACTLY why I posed the original question and why I'm flying the EXACT same airplane for an overseas carrier.
So much for "we are an equal opportunity employer" and you are RIGHT on the button with your comments. Thanks for saving me a lot of time, energy & frustration......

 

[-9Capt]

SNB. It's also a term of endearment we former TWAers have for our American "brethren".

...and we have both working here, makes for some interesting conversations in the crew lounge and on the jumpseat...

 

[Ty Webb]

SNB...

Put the three words together and it describes your friendly neighborhood native AA pilot.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was in reference to me. I was starting to get a complex.

 

[-9Capt]

Whate are the odds of a new-hire getting the 737? Also, any plans on taking delivery of the -800.

Tanks.

Just my opinion, but I don't think we'll get them any time soon, '06 maybe. They pay 13% more and I know mgt is asking for that in negotiations, which tells me they'd like to order a few. Eventually we'll probably get a few for the heavy loads out of LGA/MCO/DFW etc.

As for getting the 737 as a newhire, I'd say your chances are excellent.

 

[Thunderchief]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Whate are the odds of a new-hire getting the 737? Also, any plans on taking delivery of the -800.

Tanks.

My new hire class of nearly 25, 4 received the 737. Their training seemed a bit shorter for some reason.
I know it varies every class but even if you get the 717, you'll enjoy yourself...except for that d-mned FMS!

-TC

 

[Ty Webb]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Whate are the odds of a new-hire getting the 737? Also, any plans on taking delivery of the -800.

Tanks.

There should be quite a bit more 737 FO slots in the second half of the year- probably need 12 a month to cover new aircraft deliveries.

I know it varies every class but even if you get the 717, you'll enjoy yourself...except for that d-mned FMS!

Funny, that's what I say about the Smiths FMC on the 73NG. Give me the Honeywell.

-TC[/QUOTE]

 

[GogglesPisano]

Thanks guys. I'm sure both FMS's beat the Bus's by a longshot.