1% giving 99% of us a bad name...

[TMMT]

Why must there always be a$$hats in a group?

Not just occasional a$$hats but 100% grade A, prime cut, economy sized a$$hats.

In to one of the busier east coast bizjet ports this afternoon, got in line and placed my fuel order. Then raided the icebox and vending machine for the trip home.

As I'm walking out the door a young lineman approaches a pilot and asks him if he is crewing the whizz bang sky rocket parked next to the fuel truck.

He was, so the lineman kindly asked him if he could watch him and make sure he was fueling it correctly, because his supervisor was currently tending to a problem and unable to assist.

This a$$hat more or less lost it. When off on the kid.

I think the only thing that changed the a$$hats mind about not wanting to make sure the plane was fueled correctly was the crowd of us looking at him like the cat just dragged him in from the pond out back.

I've never seen anyone fly off the handle because a lineman wanted them to double check their fueling procedures on an unfamiliar airframe.

WTF---Over?!?!

 

[stupidpilot]

You sure it wasn't Rez-O? His union rules probably don't permit it.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Well, I have never worked at a dept. where unsupervised fueling was even allowed, nevermind insisted upon! We always require a crewmember to be present...which is common sense anyhow since the APU is usually running.

Also, experience has taught me to assume that line guys are 100% incompetent, 100% of the time. They prove otherwise? terrific!

If Joe Jerkoff pilot (not uncommon at all) didn't want to keep an eye on the servicing he could have simply asked the guy to wait until the supervisor was available.

He's the same type of guy who blames the line guy when something goes very wrong.....and that $hit dosen't go far for any bosses I have worked for. Sounds like your stereotypical angry, abused, low-end corporate/charter pilot.

So be it, cant fix stupid.

 

[400A]

I wish it were only 1%. I would put it at more like 25%. I see this behavior all the time.

This is the same guy who will blame the line guy for not getting the fuel cap on correctly, or failing to re-hook the tow pin.

The line crew at our airport can not understand why we refuse to leave the fueling valves open like the other Hawker operators, so they can fuel it before we get there. Really?!?! Uh.... NO!

 

[Jetdriver69]

You got to be sh*tting me! Some operators leave the refueling valves open on the Hawker so the jet can be refueled without the crew being there? Anyway this toolbox who went off on the line kid is more common than you think. I have seen it and asked the guy what was his problem. Of course I got no answer, but maybe he will think twice about making himself look stupid in public. Typical weak d*ck, erectile dysfuntional a**bite. Too many of them in our profession.

 

[pilotyip]

Full of himself

You sure it wasn't Rez-O? His union rules probably don't permit it.

That is funny. But you have to remember he was a pilot, the most important person in the world, a person responsible for safety and protecting lives under his care. Why I bet he had a college education where he developed the maturity and skills needed to function in today’s society. A person like that must be treated with utmost respect and deference. Why he probably got into flying for recognition, prestige, and respect and is only experiencing disappointment, so he had to take out on the line man. This just proves anyone can fly an airplane. BTW Thanks TMMT for an aviaiton related post

 

[stupidpilot]

Unfortunately there are some of us out there who happen to think we're better than the mere mortals who service our aircraft and take care of all the details that allow us to fly it. I've never understood how some people think they're better than others just because of what they do. A toilet scrubber deserves the same kind of respect as a ceo of a big corporation. I treat all people well until they treat me poorly.

 

[400A]

I think that the fact that I worked the line while I was paying for my ratings 25 years ago helps prevent me from behaving like this, but as stupidpilot said, it has more to do with common courtesy and respect.

We have a brand new line guy at our fbo now. He is trying hard, but occasionally makes mistakes. Yesterday he drove off and left the single point door open and the cap hanging. I simply went and got him and showed him what he did. I did not yell at him, call him names or try to demoralize him. When he seems curious, if I have time, I take a moment to teach. It does not take any more effort to be nice than it does to be a jerk.

 

[Cat3C]

I think it's sort of like that "greenhorn" effect on Dangerous catch - anyone beneath you or "new" has to catch a rash of crap. My boss (who it sounds was this guy in the FBO) pisses more people off when he walks in to a FBO or maintenance facility. He is obviously trying to compensate for his shortcomings by knocking people down.

You are right on - the 1% make a ton more work for the rest of us trying to clean up and repair the ********************storm that they have created.

 

[doublepsych]

I wish it were only 1%. I would put it at more like 25%. I see this behavior all the time.

I agree, definitely more than 1%...

 

[pilotyip]

Unfortunately there are some of us out there who happen to think we're better than the mere mortals who service our aircraft and take care of all the details that allow us to fly it. I've never understood how some people think they're better than others just because of what they do. A toilet scrubber deserves the same kind of respect as a ceo of a big corporation. I treat all people well until they treat me poorly.

It is normally because they are so unsure of themselves, like an Ensign who doesn't get saluted because a sailor walks by with his arms full, they take think demanding respect will make them respected. His ego on the reality of being a pilot does not fit the reality of the real world. Showing respect to the little guy is the right way to do things.

 

[100-1/2]

Way to come on here and complain about the a$$hat. Glad you all [gave the terd looks]. Once in awhile these types need their arse handed to them they way they dole out that treatment to others. Seems you had a majority opportunity as a group to Professionally (although he deserved less respect) counsel his actions as unacceptable and unflatteringly representative of the remaining pro-pilot corps. We don't tolerate this behavior anywhere else, why is it not reigned in the FBO? If we held each other accountable to a higher standard as professionals then these incidents would seldom take place and the 1% would become .1%.

Keep in mind, if approached with respect, this jackhole doesn't know you and may perceive you (hopefully) as a potential lead, interviewer or Boss someday. At a minimum, you will be heard by the lineguy who will see that we keep our own inline and he should never stop being the stellar performer he obviously is in the care and attention he offers his position.

Not criticizing, just suggesting an alternative venue and audience. I would rather read here how a group of you approached with this suggested tact and nutsack continued to be the prick he obviously is and maybe a tail number or a/c type could help us keep an eye out for this guy who is possibly experiencing minimal job satisfaction and help us I.D. him and strongly suggest a career change.

100-1/2

 

[HMR]

One thing I always recommend to pilots seeking info on an employer is that they talk to the local lineguys as part of their research. You can tell a lot about an owner, CP, etc. by how they treat the line staff. I know at our airport their opinions are 100% accurate.

 

[wrxpilot]

One thing I always recommend to pilots seeking info on an employer is that they talk to the local lineguys as part of their research. You can tell a lot about an owner, CP, etc. by how they treat the line staff. I know at our airport their opinions are 100% accurate.

When I was interviewing for my current job, I was working for a charter outfit based at the same FBO as them. The company I was interviewing with asked the FBO staff about me after I left, so it does happen.

 

[TransMach]

The 1% (really ab out 25%)

Yes, this fellow does us all a disservice.

Our job, my job, when I'm flying is to get the flight completed, perfectly, safely and offering the client an experience like nothing else. Yes, we provide transportation, but we sell the experience.

If somebody gets in the way, it's my job, your job ... our job to get the job done (see above) .. not waste time and energy belittling or berating an individual in real time. Get the job done, and done on time.

If you really have an issue with an FBO's service, the very best thing you can do is call the general manager at the end of your flight and voice your concern. Also promise not to vote in their direction in the annual ProPilot serveys or if the situation dictates, let the G.M. know that you will be advising their superiors (aka a chain such as Signature) that if this level of dissapointment continues there are other options to be explored, such as Atlantic, Landmark or others.

Never birate an individual because of their shortcommings. Rather express your displeasure with their organization. After all, that's who you were paying for the service in the first place.

Someone should teach the a$$hat that this thread is about this simple lesson.

TransMach

 

[bbwest]

Well well well, 100 and a half and I can actually agree on something. Treating anyone w less than total respect is a recipe for disaster in this business. Bizav is a small community. Folks who saw that will see that guy again. You never know who you will be working for, be asked for a reference, see again etc etc.

EVERYTIME you walk through an FBO you should conduct yourself as though you are on an interview. Even on repo legs never let anyone see you in anything less that a full company attire. Treat everyone with respect.

Guys who are spazs and blow up over nothing are telling you something. How do you think that guy would behave w an engine fire, imc after selecting gear up. He's exactly the guy you dont want to be sitting next to.

 

[100-1/2]

Stalker!

 

[NCherches]

...Even on repo legs never let anyone see you in anything less that a full company attire...

Forget that... It's Flip Flops and Shorts for me. But then I guess that is out company Attire sometimes.

 

[BushwickBill]

How about the guys who follow me into the FBO where I have been employed for 4 years and start yelling at me because I tailgated them? They come into the FBO swearing at me. The CSRs were speechless.

Keep in mind this is not a part 139 airport with no airline service. I am in uniform with my security badge. There are no security signs at the gate.

And the best part was that I opened the gate with my remote for the jerks. The short story was they called my DO and apologized. Not without making total asses of themselves.

Overall I've given up on pilots unless they prove otherwise. Its far more than 1% in my opinion.

 

[NCherches]

Pilot's have always had a stereotype for being cool, fun etc but in real life I would say 75% are total dorks and up-tight. Sad really...