$1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 question for CJC IBT supporters

[Nevets]

cool! You can reject a union but still get union benefits in integration! Sweet! Why waste all that precious FO money?

Because without a union the management represents the pilots in negotiating a seniority list integration. They are less likely to go to arbitration to fight for their pilots.

Also, if the two parties agree, a staple job can be defined as fair and equitable. I don't think ALPA would agree to that but management might.

 

[suupah]

Who is going to pay all the legal fees, fees for the arbitrator, and facility fees for the Colgan pilots? No money, no representation. You think the Teamsters will do the job when they know they aren't going to see another nickel of revenue from the Colgan pilots? Are the Colgan pilots capable of paying all this out of their own pockets if they don't organize? The PCL pilot group is capable of out spending the Colgan pilots by at least ten to one. With the resources they have available they will build a very convincing case to do whatever they want to do.

And if the CJC is ALPA will they have the funds to do it then?

 

[Nevets]

And if the CJC is ALPA will they have the funds to do it then?

Yes, ALPA has the funds.

 

[PCL_128]

And if the CJC is ALPA will they have the funds to do it then?

If CJC is ALPA, then there's a 99.9% chance that the two pilot groups will work out a settlement without any of this legal wrangling anyway. The PCL MEC wants a settlement that is fair to both sides. They've been consistent in that from the very beginning. But if the CJC pilots turn their backs on the PCL pilots and go with IBT, that will likely change the dynamics.

 

[Fozzy]

The IBT has absolutely nothing to offer a pilot group.

If you have a choice between ALPA and IBT, the answer is easy.

 

[Mr Wu]

Something that you are all forgetting about is that it will only take a 30% interest in IBT to force a vote after integration. Is 100% of the 9E pilot group committed to ALPA? This vote can also be petitioned by PNCL management if they believe that 30% of the covered group want a change. 9E ALPA should probably concentrate more on getting their own house in order for when the integration happens than sabotaging the 9L vote AGAIN.

 

[Godfather]

Something that you are all forgetting about is that it will only take a 30% interest in IBT to force a vote after integration. Is 100% of the 9E pilot group committed to ALPA? This vote can also be petitioned by PNCL management if they believe that 30% of the covered group want a change. 9E ALPA should probably concentrate more on getting their own house in order for when the integration happens than sabotaging the 9L vote AGAIN.

Amen!!!!

 

[LanceAir]

Actually it's 33% to get a vote, here are the rough numbers:

PCL(1300)+CJC(500)= 1800,
1800*.33= 600,

assuming CJC is IBT...uke:


CJC(500) < 600 = ........wait for it......NO VOTE!

 

[suupah]

Actually it's 33% to get a vote, here are the rough numbers:

PCL(1300)+CJC(500)= 1800,
1800*.33= 600,

assuming CJC is IBT...uke:


CJC(500) < 600 = ........wait for it......NO VOTE!

you have the 1000000000000000 dollar avatar

btw, yes ibt is not who cjc wants in the event of the eventual integration.
i have seen the basic problem is simple. lack of education. we need to get the facts out.

 

[PCL_128]

Something that you are all forgetting about is that it will only take a 30% interest in IBT to force a vote after integration. Is 100% of the 9E pilot group committed to ALPA? This vote can also be petitioned by PNCL management if they believe that 30% of the covered group want a change. 9E ALPA should probably concentrate more on getting their own house in order for when the integration happens than sabotaging the 9L vote AGAIN.

Based on the last polling data I got before leaving the PCL MEC, we had a favorability rating in the high 90%s from the membership. The PCL pilots are quite happy with their ALPA representation, and you'd have a hard time finding even a couple dozen that would vote for the jokers at the IBT.

 

[e=mc2]

If you think 90% are happy with ALPA - Your Mother needs to up the dose of your anti-pyschedelic drugs!

Bottom line is that ALPA is only thinking of ALPA, not the employee. Airline Management has a free hand to fun the operation the way they wish, and the only people that think ALPA is a factor are those such as yourself.

 

[PCL_128]

If you think 90% are happy with ALPA - Your Mother needs to up the dose of your anti-pyschedelic drugs!

I think I know the PCL pilot group a little bit better than you do.

 

[DoinTime]

9E ALPA should probably concentrate more on getting their own house in order for when the integration happens than sabotaging the 9L vote AGAIN.

Pinnacle ALPA sabotaged the vote last time??? What planet were you on last year?

 

[DoinTime]

Something that you are all forgetting about is that it will only take a 30% interest in IBT to force a vote after integration. Is 100% of the 9E pilot group committed to ALPA? This vote can also be petitioned by PNCL management if they believe that 30% of the covered group want a change.

I would be willing to bet that there are fewer Teamster supporters among PCL pilots than there are ALPA supporters among CJC pilots. In a merged carrier, Teamsters lose.

 

[PCL_128]

Pinnacle ALPA sabotaged the vote last time??? What planet were you on last year?

Yeah, could've fooled me. I thought I was helping the CJC pilots when I was away from home for 60 straight days working on the organizing drive while still flying a full schedule. Silly me.