0-320 Overhaul

[Metro752]

0-320 Overhaul.......................................average ballpark $$, anyone know? 180HP in a Piper Warrior 161

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Been a while, but should be in the neighborhood of 14 to 18k. for a factory reman.

Can probably do a shadetree overhaul for less.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Overhaul

14K-18K is about right for a factory remanufactured. You can get a Penn Yan reman. for about 12K-15K. Not sure if there is a quality difference between the two, but we chose the factory Lycoming and spent the extra bucks.

 

[bocefus]

errr. an O-320 is 160 horsepower max. If you have a 180 horsepower in a PA-28-161 then it is an 0-360, a bit more for overhaul.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

errr. an O-320 is 160 horsepower max. If you have a 180 horsepower in a PA-28-161 then it is an 0-360, a bit more for overhaul.

He said it was for a warrior, so I assumed that the 180 hp was a typo. No warriors were produced with 180 hp, If it is 180 then it is an archer or an older Cherokee 180, either way it would be a PA-28-180 (181?)

EDIT: 180 possibly in a warrior with an STC mod.

 

[User546]

Friend just overhauled a 320 for $16,000 and change - in the midwest.

 

[Metro752]

Reg is N33793, says 180HP with an 0-320. How many hours to an overhaul on that engine? 2000?

It has
TTAF: 3412
SMOH: 920
Engine: Factory Remanufactured Engine Installed 03/94


Thanks for the other info guys, I appreciate it

 

[TrafficInSight]

Reg is N33793, says 180HP with an 0-320. How many hours to an overhaul on that engine? 2000?

It has
TTAF: 3412
SMOH: 920
Engine: Factory Remanufactured Engine Installed 03/94


Thanks for the other info guys, I appreciate it

It's probably either not 180hp or it's not an O-320... The reg # lookup says PA-28-151 which should be 150hp. Either way the difference in cost between an O-320 and an O-360 overhaul will be minimal.

 

[bocefus]

"It's probably either not 180hp or it's not an O-320... The reg # lookup says PA-28-151 which should be 150hp. Either way the difference in cost between an O-320 and an O-360 overhaul will be minimal."

Yah, if your are lucky and the crank is good. If you need to replace it, the difference between an O-360 and 0-320 crank is significant.

If it is 180 horsepower it was done by STC.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

It's probably either not 180hp or it's not an O-320... The reg # lookup says PA-28-151 which should be 150hp. Either way the difference in cost between an O-320 and an O-360 overhaul will be minimal.

All right, lets see how much Pipereze I remember!!

The pa-28-151 is an early warrior, the first one with a taper wing. Prior to the taper wing the straight wing (hershey bar wing) models were PA-28-140,150,180,235.

When they renamed the line and went to the taper wing it translated to warrior, cadet(warrior with no back seats) archer, and dakota. I do not think there was ever a 140 with a taper wing. I also think that the 1 in 161 of the type name denotes a taper wing model, as opposed to a 160 that was a straight wing. (180,181 etc...)

If it is a warrior 151 on the type cert, but has a 180 engine, it has been modified via STC, so in effect it is an Archer and would have the 0-360. I have seen the FAA data get hosed up before in situations like these when STC's are involved. I think the Warrior started coming with the 160 hp engine somewhere around 76 or so. I flew a 151 warrior years back and it was a 73 model with the taper wing. I think the last of the Hershey bar wings were right around that time also.

At any rate TBo is 2000 hours and the price for overhaul would be about what has been listed.

Whew......should not post when it's rainey and I am bored. I am sure there is some of the Cherokee info that I do not remember and all info above is from memory of a long time ago......so the reader is responsible for fact checking!!!!

 

[Metro752]

Thanks again, and I'm fact checking. Thats why I posted here. I wasn't sure, because things didn't make sense. Appreciate it!

 

[TrafficInSight]

All right, lets see how much Pipereze I remember!!

The pa-28-151 is an early warrior, the first one with a taper wing. Prior to the taper wing the straight wing (hershey bar wing) models were PA-28-140,150,180,235.

When they renamed the line and went to the taper wing it translated to warrior, cadet(warrior with no back seats) archer, and dakota. I do not think there was ever a 140 with a taper wing. I also think that the 1 in 161 of the type name denotes a taper wing model, as opposed to a 160 that was a straight wing. (180,181 etc...)

If it is a warrior 151 on the type cert, but has a 180 engine, it has been modified via STC, so in effect it is an Archer and would have the 0-360. I have seen the FAA data get hosed up before in situations like these when STC's are involved. I think the Warrior started coming with the 160 hp engine somewhere around 76 or so. I flew a 151 warrior years back and it was a 73 model with the taper wing. I think the last of the Hershey bar wings were right around that time also.

At any rate TBo is 2000 hours and the price for overhaul would be about what has been listed.

Whew......should not post when it's rainey and I am bored. I am sure there is some of the Cherokee info that I do not remember and all info above is from memory of a long time ago......so the reader is responsible for fact checking!!!!

You're pretty close the first PA-28-151 warrior was a 1974 model, the 160hp warriors were PA-28-161 models. The cadet is missing its back seat and the little third windows.

and as far as the FAA database is concerned, our 172 has the same error, it's a Penn Yan STC 180hp O-360 but the database still says 180/O-320... Maybe they only change the horsepower?

 

[Metro752]

http://www.piperowner.org/viewforumtopic.asp?id=36095

Reading about Arch-Warriors.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

You're pretty close the first PA-28-151 warrior was a 1974 model, the 160hp warriors were PA-28-161 models. The cadet is missing its back seat and the little third windows.

and as far as the FAA database is concerned, our 172 has the same error, it's a Penn Yan STC 180hp O-360 but the database still says 180/O-320... Maybe they only change the horsepower?

Now look what you have done!!!!!!

I am almost positive the 151 warrior I flew was a 73 model........now I gotta go look it up just to be sure!!!!!!!

Making me look up something....grumble grumblegrumble!!!!

 

[bocefus]

When an aircraft is modified by STC this information is not reported to the aircraft registry branch. Don't use the aircraft registry as a basis for determining which engine is installed.

 

[bocefus]

I forgot to mention that the -151 Warrior can also be modified by STC to 160 horsepower, this does not change the aircraft designation from PA28-151.

 

[TrafficInSight]

I forgot to mention that the -151 Warrior can also be modified by STC to 160 horsepower, this does not change the aircraft designation from PA28-151.

I especially like the STC on the 161 that ups the max gross... You buy the STC and don't change anything on the airplane

 

[dmspilot00]

The cadet is missing its back seat and the little third windows.

I flew at a school that had a fleet of cadets, they all had back seats...I believe they were "optional" similar to the back seats on PA28-140s. The main difference is the window as you said, and no baggage door.

In the case of the Arrow, I believe the 201 designation is used for the T-tail model, whereas 200 applies to both hershey bar and tapered wing models.

I especially like the STC on the 161 that ups the max gross... You buy the STC and don't change anything on the airplane

What does it change it to, if you remember. Just wondering.

 

[USMCmech]

0-320 Overhaul.......................................average ballpark $$, anyone know? 180HP in a Piper Warrior 161

Question,

Is there any reason besides flight time alone that you are overhauling this engine?

I personaly don't recomend overhauling a engine unless it starts showing symptoms of something going wrong. Oil anyalsis, loss of power, longer takeoff rolls, ect. No matter what the number of hours it has been run. I am very suspicous of old (year) engines with low time SMOH/SNEW. This tells me that these engine have sat still for far to long. For an engine, sitting still is far worse than being run regulary. I personally know a guy who flys pipeline patrol daily in a C-172 which has over 7000 hrs on the engine.


TBO is simply the engines "life exptancy".

For example, the average American who needs heart bypass surgery is something like 55 years old. Would you let your doctor perform open heart surgery on you, just because you turned 56?

Engine manufacturers and the FAA use the same logic in setting TBO times, the average time when engine needed to be overhauled was set as the TBO. Some won't make it to 500 hrs, and some may run fine with 5000.

 

[bocefus]

You are right, inactivity is the worse thing you can do to an engine.
This is why Lycoming engines have a calendar time TBO in addition to an hourly time