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    P180 Belly Landing at HPN this Morning - Was it Avantair?

    My concerns are with the pilots. There have been many occasions when I was expected to fly out of limitations and fly aircraft with maintenance ”issues”. You are right about one thing, I don’t care for Avantair and I don’t respect the management. I have seen how they do hang their pilots out to...
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    P180 Belly Landing at HPN this Morning - Was it Avantair?

    Space Shuttle Pilot, Are you referring to the email describing "issues" with the landing gear? You are right, management really do keep their pilots well informed! So since you are in a position of great knowledge, not to mention an expert speller, maybe you can explain why Avantair have had so...
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    P180 Belly Landing at HPN this Morning - Was it Avantair?

    This aircraft is flying today????? Nothing surprises me with Avantair!
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    P180 Belly Landing at HPN this Morning - Was it Avantair?

    Well, well, is this another Avantair accident? I heard it was one of their Piaggios. Nobody's talking, could this possibly be another of Avantair's maintenance issue cover-ups???? Glad to hear the pilots were unharmed. Sadly it's probably a matter of time until a serious accident occurs with...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    Found out this was a tower mistake, appears both aircraft were cleared for takeoff. Piaggio pilots aborted to avoid the other plane. Great job, good pilots at Avatair, shame about the management!
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    B-19 has been a little quiet on this thread lately. Probably because he's busy in his office covering up the latest Avantair tire incident at TEB. He'll be going to great lengths to ensure Avantair don't carry any responsibility and will no doubt be finger-pointing at the pilots again. I don't...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    Typical management response. No valid argument, just a quote from a fantasy/fiction movie. Pitiful to make such a frivolous comment on a subject as important as this, dealing with pilot's careers and job security. Something that affects their families, their lives, their future. You should be...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    This has to be the most patronizing post I have seen. So pilots who have complaints or concerns with Avantair haven't had to work hard to get where they are? Avantair was a good place to work, maybe 2 years ago, management seemed to genuinely care about it's employees, however as new management...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    B-19, there's always people with more chips at the table, maybe now is the time for you to cash yours in! If there was ever a time you really proved you are Avantair management it's in these last few quotes. "If you don't like it leave" is Avantair management attitude all over......why don't...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    Well, I almost believe you actually care. Lets talk about recent terminations at Avantair. The two guys who lost their jobs all before the NTSB and FAA completed any reports......don't they have families, mortgages and bills? Before them were several others who spoke up or voiced a concern, or...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    Quite laughable, it seems everyone can see through your feeble attempts to disguise your identity. You seem to miss the whole point, the reason more and more pilots are talking about a union has nothing to do with per-diem or Hilton points. It's about job security, having a union provides some...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    What the hell is going on here.....is this some kind of competition to see who can make the most smart, ambiguous or ridiculous comment!!!!???? If Avantair want to retain any respect from their pilots they should admit defeat with the union war. If they are the decent company they claim to be...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    So many management on this site.....and you think you're pretty inconspicuous. Idiots!! A union is probably the only way to retain some of the pilots Avantair has. Most I speak to are looking for other jobs. The chief pilot's a waste of space, he's so far up management's ass it would take him...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    LOL....you're absolutely right oneeye!
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    I smell a rat too!!!!! Hangarat I am in no frenzy, I don't understand where you are getting your facts from, have you been speaking to the FAA/NTSB??? I thought not! You and Avantair have already decided what happened.
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    So you must have been talking to CM or TC. Anyone who knows the real facts knows this wasn't pilot error. An uneventful landing leads to a blown tire...the landing gear subsequently collapses after the steering was put in. Why did the tire blow? The FO says he didn't touch the brake. P-180...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    During the conference call management wouldn't comment on the FLL incident, due to the investigation being on-going, so how could they fire the pilots involved?? Don't comment, redirect focus and the problem goes away. Do they think we're stupid! I guess if anyone finds themselves in a difficult...
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    avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

    Avantair is run by lawyers. All pilots had to sign new contracts this year basically stating they don't need a reason to fire anyone. If you don't sign, you don't have a job. Avantair gave these pilots the choice to resign or be fired all before the NTSB or FAA reports were complete. It's no...
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