Unnecessary verbage

[Mach 80]

Hey - ATC guys,

Does it ever bother you, especially when you are busy, that so many pilots add such useless and unnecessary verbage to their radio calls, especially initially? I.E. instead of simply saying "United 123 flight level 230 climbing 290" as opposed to "United 123 checking in with you, climbing out of 230 for 290". I would think you know, without being told, that they are "checking in" by the nature of the transmission and I would think you know they are "with you" by the fact that they are talking to you. Or the guys who won't simply read back a frequency change and be gone. Nope...they just have to add a perfectly useless and insincere "Have a good day/ weekend/one". Where did this useless, uneccessary crap come from? Give me a simple clear radio technique without the crap from a European airline any day!

 

[learflyer]

I agree. And when told "turn 20 left for traffic" you don't have to read back "for traffic." Just read back "20 left." And when asking for a sporting even score, use a little discretion. Don't break the cadence of a controller for that world cup score....especially any soccer score.

As to your point about freq changes. What irks me are the guys that check in with the time of day and get it wrong and have to correct....Morning chicago...er I mean afternoon...er evening chicago center....STFU! Just check in meatball.

 

[tomgoodman]

I would think you know they are "with you" by the fact that they are talking to you.

The phrase is to reassure the controller that the pilot is not an enemy, because he who is not with you is against you.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Someday, about 10-20 years from now, we'll have CPDLC like Canada and Europe.

 

[SCT]

EU is not cpdlc until 2020 now.

 

[GogglesPisano]

EU is not cpdlc until 2020 now.

Ireland and Germany for now, but it's a start.

 

[JettBoii]

So, you always say the same thing on every radio call? You must fly 2 legs a day. If I fly 3-5 legs a day then my brain sometimes changes up the way I make radio calls. I keep it short in the NE and in the LAX area. But, then again…..who cares.

 

[filejw]

Ireland and Germany for now, but it's a start.

And parts of France...

 

[Fltcrw]

Pet peeve of mine also. Thought I'd add a few.
ATC says " delta 123 say your mach #" Pro pilot answers ".78" delta answers " and uh. Delta 123 indicating Mach decimal uh 78 currently , what do you need for deltas 123?"

On the meter
Got em on tcas ( or worse ) on the fish finder
Ready in sequence
Diagonal
At this time
Anyone in the pattern please advise
What do you need
Pilots that start every xmit with " and "
Flash coming at ya
Etc
Etc

 

[gangdev]

Pet peeve of mine also. Thought I'd add a few.
ATC says " delta 123 say your mach #" Pro pilot answers ".78" delta answers " and uh. Delta 123 indicating Mach decimal uh 78 currently , what do you need for deltas 123?"

On the meter
Got em on tcas ( or worse ) on the fish finder
Ready in sequence
Diagonal
At this time
Anyone in the pattern please advise
What do you need
Pilots that start every xmit with " and "
Flash coming at ya
Etc
Etc

"three triple-oh on the baro"

 

[Gutenberg]

I'm an airline pilot and these all piss me off, too. Especially "Fishfinder," and saying Sugar instead of Sierra or some other thing for another letter (unless you're in ATL). I like ORD where the ground controller just gives you a taxi instruction and you follow it without saying anything. I love "Have a blessed day" when signing off. Thanks, reverend.

I heard a UAL pilot who was instructed to descend quickly say, "We'll bring it down like a well-tuned Steinway!" My only thought: why does it have to be well-tuned?

 

[Fly4$]

"three triple-oh on the baro"

Altimeter Three Balls Seven. (Lol)

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

I get this AAL MD80 pilot who is by far my favorite pilot in the world because this is how he checks in with me on TWR freq. "American 1485." Thats it! Love it. Guess what guys and gals, I know where you are, I know what you are doing, and I know what you want to do which is land your jet on the runway. Then I get these other guys like this. "Tower Mercury 7320 about 2 miles from Seika doing 170 kts and we're slowin on the ILS 28C parking C8 got the 737 in sight in front of us." Less is more in my opinion.

 

[SSDD]

Really? It would be interesting if every pilot did that in ORD for one day...Just check in with their call sign. I'll bet it doesn't last very long.

 

[Fltcrw]

Really? It would be interesting if every pilot did that in ORD for one day...Just check in with their call sign. I'll bet it doesn't last very long.

I do it every time, works fine. See above post.

 

[SSDD]

Like I said, one or two guys doing it is a cute, welcome brake. Everybody doing it is unacceptable.

TWR: American1234 22L line up and wait
AA1234: American 1234

TWR: American 1234 hold short of 9R approach
AA1234: American 1234

Neither one of those responses are acceptable, and I know there ain't a single controller at ORD who'd let you get away with it.

 

[Fltcrw]

You're not paying attention.
When handed off to the twr (inbound)
all you need to say is your call sigh, their expacting you.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Like I said, one or two guys doing it is a cute, welcome brake. Everybody doing it is unacceptable.

TWR: American1234 22L line up and wait
AA1234: American 1234

TWR: American 1234 hold short of 9R approach
AA1234: American 1234

Neither one of those responses are acceptable, and I know there ain't a single controller at ORD who'd let you get away with it.

Well, you are correct with the read back of a hold short but a line up wait no problem with just a call sign. Hold shorts and headings is all I really care about.

On the final I see you on my radar and doubt you want the option. Don't care if your on a visual or an ILS because the end result is the same. I see your speed and will adjust it if I need to which technically I don't have the power to issue speeds inside the marker so like I said, check in with your callsign and all will be well. Tell me your life story if you want to you'll still get a landing clnce.

 

[gangdev]

You're not paying attention.
When handed off to the twr (inbound)
all you need to say is your call sigh, their expacting you.

I don't know if the controller will like it if you sigh to them.

..So how about "three triple-oh on the baro"? Very little fat there.

 

[Fltcrw]

You guys make me sigh a lot.
Why not " three triple oh " period. ?