125-seat Bombardier CS300 almost ready for first flight - more orders in US?

[johnsonrod]

Successful first flight of the CS300 today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wRwC7M2k30

Let's hope they can continue to make progress and get this thing certified. After the performance figures/estimates are verified hopefully they will get more orders. Again, time will tell..............

 

[SIG600]

Successful first flight of the CS300 today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wRwC7M2k30

Let's hope they can continue to make progress and get this thing certified. After the performance figures/estimates are verified hopefully they will get more orders. Again, time will tell..............

Bring 'em to mainline or let it be beer cans with the outgoing 50 seaters.

 

[sniper]

UAL is rumored to get them. Rumor only

All republics orders and 75 options

 

[johnsonrod]

Would be great if true - of course this assumes Bombardier actually gets the testing done... The specs on the CS300 relative to the E195 and even the A319 look impressive.

Here's an interesting article about the flight deck and how it was designed for pilots (description of the new FBW system is worth the read):

http://m.aviationweek.com/awin/bombardier-staff-help-design-cseries-flight-deck

 

[UALjan15]

The C-series is so far into mainline on every scope clause that it can't start at the small carriers and nibble away at scope clauses like Embrauer is trying to do with the E series. This means it has to go head to head with both Boeing and Airbus, and to win orders it needs to be demonstrably better. From what I've read, they've done it, but at great cost in $$ and delays. With 737 NG and A319 as competition, they look great. But the longer the delays, the closer we get to NEOs and MAXs, which will level the playing field.

I fear that Bombardier has misplayed this, and will have to rely on start-ups or other carriers not heavily vested in Boeing/Airbus. The product looks compelling, but can Bombardier afford to keep funding it until it is self-sufficient?

 

[johnsonrod]

The C-series is so far into mainline on every scope clause that it can't start at the small carriers and nibble away at scope clauses like Embrauer is trying to do with the E series. This means it has to go head to head with both Boeing and Airbus, and to win orders it needs to be demonstrably better. From what I've read, they've done it, but at great cost in $$ and delays. With 737 NG and A319 as competition, they look great. But the longer the delays, the closer we get to NEOs and MAXs, which will level the playing field.

I fear that Bombardier has misplayed this, and will have to rely on start-ups or other carriers not heavily vested in Boeing/Airbus. The product looks compelling, but can Bombardier afford to keep funding it until it is self-sufficient?

Have you seen this chart below? A319 NEO and 737-700 can't compare with the CS300 in terms of efficiency:

http://airinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/casm-chart.jpg

UAL is already very familiar with Bombardier through the CRJ series and Q400. The C-Series can also fly more than 2,000 miles full and it can operate on short runways like Aspen or London City - it offers amazing flexibility that the A319 NEO can't offer and a FBW system not available on the future 737-700 MAX.

With 40 airframe slots (and some options) from Republic, any of the legacies could add the CS300 relatively quickly once testing is finally done. Again, time will tell...

 

[jonjuan]

Have you seen this chart below? A319 NEO and 737-700 can't compare with the CS300 in terms of efficiency:

http://airinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/casm-chart.jpg

UAL is already very familiar with Bombardier through the CRJ series and Q400. The C-Series can also fly more than 2,000 miles full and it can operate on short runways like Aspen or London City - it offers amazing flexibility that the A319 NEO can't offer and a FBW system not available on the future 737-700 MAX.

With 40 airframe slots (and some options) from Republic, any of the legacies could add the CS300 relatively quickly once testing is finally done. Again, time will tell...

if everything you posted were even remotely accurate, they would have hundreds if not thousands of orders. AB and BA will not let them in the door.

 

[WSurf]

American Airlines already has Group 1 rates. Look for them to dump there 20 EMB-190's and get a bunch of these while parking Airbus 319's.

 

[johnsonrod]

if everything you posted were even remotely accurate, they would have hundreds if not thousands of orders. AB and BA will not let them in the door.[/QUOTE

AB and Boeing basically created their NEO and MAX versions partly because of the C-Series threat. Until the CS300 proves itself and confirms its performance estimates it won't get any huge orders. Everyone wants to see performance confirmation first. No big surprise.

 

[jonjuan]

if everything you posted were even remotely accurate, they would have hundreds if not thousands of orders. AB and BA will not let them in the door.[/QUOTE

AB and Boeing basically created their NEO and MAX versions partly because of the C-Series threat. Until the CS300 proves itself and confirms its performance estimates it won't get any huge orders. Everyone wants to see performance confirmation first. No big surprise.

They do? 787, A350, neo/max all have huge orders well ahead of "performance confirmation."

 

[johnsonrod]

They do? 787, A350, neo/max all have huge orders well ahead of "performance confirmation."

Thank god you are such a genius Juan - you have figured it all out. Richard Anderson was quoted in an article recently saying they like the Pratt and Whitney Geared Turbo Fan (GTF) used on the CS300 but Delta wants to see the aircraft flying before they consider ordering it. Who knows if they will actually order it...

Plus, the CS300 will be debuting at the Paris Airshow for the first time in June. Orders may follow....

 

[jonjuan]

Thank god you are such a genius Juan - you have figured it all out. Richard Anderson was quoted in an article recently saying they like the Pratt and Whitney Geared Turbo Fan (GTF) used on the CS300 but Delta wants to see the aircraft flying before they consider ordering it. Who knows if they will actually order it...

Plus, the CS300 will be debuting at the Paris Airshow for the first time in June. Orders may follow....

We'll see who the real dummy is.

 

[johnsonrod]

Bring it!!!

 

[Heavy Set]

That's some pretty could range capability for the C-Series:

http://commercialaircraft.bombardier.com/en/cseries/Flexibility/Range-Capabilities.html

NYC to Quito or NYC to LA/Vancouver - not bad at all.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

That's some pretty could range capability for the C-Series:

http://commercialaircraft.bombardier.com/en/cseries/Flexibility/Range-Capabilities.html

NYC to Quito or NYC to LA/Vancouver - not bad at all.

I thought the Toronto ring was interesting, given its predicated taking off from Toronto Island Airport (<5000' TODA) - then going down as far as BOG.