I Wonder....

[G4dude]

Let's say profit margins at TM are (hypothetical #'s) 20%, and a new CBA costs 10 to 15% of those margins. If management accepts the lower profit margin of 5 to 10%, and never raises rates to its customers, how will they be easier to compete with?

Raising the costs of our competition is always a good thing. Higher costs mean probably higher prices to customers and slower expansion, which benefits NJA. Fine with me.

 

[G4dude]

TM isn't NetJets' competitor. TM is NetJets' go-to sell off operator and potential strike-breaking lift provider. Which is why we are ECSTATIC that TM will apparently become the next unionized shop in the bat-$hite-crazy world of fractional aviation.

Au contraire, my fine feathered poker playing friend. We are in competition with charter all the time, as customer/owners are continually weighing the benefits of frac versus charter. Have you noticed what Clay Lacy has done to us in the last several years? I wish they would unionize.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Clay Lacy unionize? He is the poster child of an "in your face" scab. Only out for himself.

 

[luckydog]

TM isn't NetJets' competitor. TM is NetJets' go-to sell off operator and potential strike-breaking lift provider. Which is why we are ECSTATIC that TM will apparently become the next unionized shop in the bat-$hite-crazy world of fractional aviation.

How will having pilots at separate carrier, represented by a separate union help in the event of an NJ job action?

 

[gutshotdraw]

How will having pilots at separate carrier, represented by a separate union help in the event of an NJ job action?

TM's growth has been fueled, largely, by flying NetJets sell-off trips.

If NetJets' labor issues eventually resulted in a lockout or strike, TM would be contracted to provide a major portion of the lift in a company effort to break NJASAP.

If TM is a union shop by the time a work stoppage occurs at NetJets (likely), there is NO WAY the Teamsters or ANY OTHER union will allow one of their locals to fly struck work.

THAT is why TM being a union shop is valuable to NetJets pilots.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Au contraire, my fine feathered poker playing friend. We are in competition with charter all the time, as customer/owners are continually weighing the benefits of frac versus charter. Have you noticed what Clay Lacy has done to us in the last several years? I wish they would unionize.

And a number of those clients have come back to us because that d-bag couldn't help himself screwing some of those clients.

And the discussion was about Travel Management and the fact that they are the primary provider of supplemental lift to NetJets for sell-offs. The owner of TM sold his main business to Berkshire Hathaway a few years back. See the connection?

 

[doh]

Au contraire, my fine feathered poker playing friend. We are in competition with charter all the time, as customer/owners are continually weighing the benefits of frac versus charter. Have you noticed what Clay Lacy has done to us in the last several years? I wish they would unionize.

I don't know the answer to the price elasticity question, but I do know there is an end to how much you can pass on to the consumer. The question is how much you can push your pilots to increase the amount in your pocket. Unions, in the right circumstances, help define that push. TM is a poster child for pushing, and needs the definition.

 

[ghostrider64]

Since the lawsuit, I suspect you'll see those fellows rarely, if ever again....

 

[keebird]

TM's growth has been fueled, largely, by flying NetJets sell-off trips.

I'm a pro-union TMC pilot.
I just have to correct a common misunderstanding: In many threads here on FI, NetJets pilots seem to think that TMC's primary income comes from EJM scabbing. I fly on average one EJM trip a month. If TMC lost all EJM/NetJets business it would barely make a blip on TMC's bottom line.
You NetJetters are not as big and important as you think you are.

 

[keebird]

TM's growth has been fueled, largely, by flying NetJets sell-off trips.

I'm a pro-union TMC pilot.
NetJets pilots seem to think that TMC's primary income and growth comes from EJM scabbing. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I fly on average less than one EJM/NetJets trip a month. They are rare.
If TMC lost all EJM/NetJets business it would barely make a blip on TMC's bottom line.

 

[squonk]

I'm a pro-union TMC pilot.
I just have to correct a common misunderstanding: In many threads here on FI, NetJets pilots seem to think that TMC's primary income comes from EJM scabbing. I fly on average one EJM trip a month. If TMC lost all EJM/NetJets business it would barely make a blip on TMC's bottom line.
You NetJetters are not as big and important as you think you are.

It's not that we think we're that important. It's that we know how TM will be used if and when a strike happens on property.

Doesn't matter that you're flying only one trip a month. If your company is flying ten trips a day spread over x-amount of airframes, well you get the picture.

Sign the card, vote, and be welcomed to the brotherhood. Tailwinds my friend!

 

[rajflyboy]

Start giving out free RV's

That's all I gotta say about that

 

[CMI]

Do you think they will send out management pilots over the holidays? I'd love to see DEMM do a 15 day (70+ Hour) rotation with all his BULL$h!t standards he holds all the pilots to. Merry F*#king Xmas, Thanks for playing!

 

[G4dude]

And a number of those clients have come back to us because that d-bag couldn't help himself screwing some of those clients.

And the discussion was about Travel Management and the fact that they are the primary provider of supplemental lift to NetJets for sell-offs. The owner of TM sold his main business to Berkshire Hathaway a few years back. See the connection?

I see. So if they unionize, I guess they won't fly our trips if we strike. They would cost themselves money as individual pilots (if they are paid by the trip or by the hour) so they could honor our picket line. Interesting if true. Good for us, if true. I doubt they would honor the picket line, but, incredibly, I have been wrong before.

 

[G4dude]

Clay Lacy unionize? He is the poster child of an "in your face" scab. Only out for himself.

Which allows him to further expand his company and hire more pilots.