JB rumors

[$$$4nothin]

Had a JB CP in the JS today. Hiring 400-450/year for the next 2 years. Going to be a 4000 pilot group by the end of 2017. Adding 12 seats in all the Airbus'. Going to be adding a 3 tier bag bundle fee system. Not sure what that means but he said it so there we go. A 4000 pilot group would be nice for a 2000 number kinda guy.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

New seat config is coming for sure. It will be announced within the next 3 weeks or at investor day on the 19th at the latest. They are going to hire 900 new FAs to accommodate that.

Not sure why 400-450 pilots. We are only taking 14-15 planes next year.

 

[Blue Dude]

Attrition. Training failure.

 

[say again]

Too bad I'm not current on my flying...

 

[Flyer1015]

Had a JB CP in the JS today. Hiring 400-450/year for the next 2 years. Going to be a 4000 pilot group by the end of 2017. Adding 12 seats in all the Airbus'. Going to be adding a 3 tier bag bundle fee system. Not sure what that means but he said it so there we go. A 4000 pilot group would be nice for a 2000 number kinda guy.

That's after the merger with VX

 

[gearupflapsup]

Attrition. Training failure.

Attrition sure. Growth who knows. Training failure..No it's 1.4%. That's the average of the two fleets.

 

[Lake Alice]

Attrition. Training failure.

Despite what the rumors indicate attrition is less than 100 per year. Hardly a concern for management.

 

[bafanguy]

...attrition is less than 100 per year.

What's the current total number on the seniority list ?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

~3000

 

[JetFumes]

I can see 4000 pilots, but not in the next two years. It may take a bit longer. ........sorry , end of 2017 , my bad

 

[Flyby1206]

12/15/15 airbuses for 2015-2017. At 15 pilots per plane that's 630 more pilots for growth. I'll be a bit surprised if we hit 4000 by the end of 2017, but I hope it happens

 

[pilotpayne]

New seat config is coming for sure. It will be announced within the next 3 weeks or at investor day on the 19th at the latest. They are going to hire 900 new FAs to accommodate that.

Not sure why 400-450 pilots. We are only taking 14-15 planes next year.

I guess they could move up the orders.
But yeah that seems like a lot of pilots.

 

[$$$4nothin]

12/15/15 airbuses for 2015-2017. At 15 pilots per plane that's 630 more pilots for growth. I'll be a bit surprised if we hit 4000 by the end of 2017, but I hope it happens

Keep in mind pilot hiring isn't as easy a a linear number of pilots/plane. A CBA with new work/reserve rules and staffing numbers. Mil leave, medical leave retirements, attrition, growth, multiple fleet types, training events. It all has an affect. The flat number is 630. Add in all these other factors and 800-900 isnt to far off I suppose,.

 

[Smarta$$]

Keep in mind pilot hiring isn't as easy a a linear number of pilots/plane. A CBA with new work/reserve rules and staffing numbers. Mil leave, medical leave retirements, attrition, growth, multiple fleet types, training events. It all has an affect. The flat number is 630. Add in all these other factors and 800-900 isnt to far off I suppose,.

That's fine, but if attrition or retirements make up a large proportion of that number, we won't NET anywhere near 400-450. Thus (FNG style) We may not get close to 4000 by 2017. Hope we do, but.....

 

[$$$4nothin]

We may not. That's why it's a rumor and we don't believe a single word that comes out of a CP's mouth. Who knows. However 600-900 guys junior to me in the next couple years is a good thing.