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It?s official: City tells a ?disappointed? Delta Air Lines it can no longer fly out of Dallas Love Field
By Robert Wilonsky [email protected]
3:49 pm on September 29, 2014 | Permalink
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In 2000, a Delta Connection plane fought with several other airlines -- including the late Legend -- at Dallas Love Field. (Jim Mahoney/Staff photographer)

Since 2008 Delta Air Lines has flown five daily nonstops from Dallas Love Field to Atlanta. That will come to an abrupt end on October 13, the same date the Wright Amendment expires.

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In a letter dated Monday, the city?s director of aviation Mark Duebner told airlines officials that ?based on the schedules recently provided, and the Gate Use License Agreement between Southwest Airlines and United Airlines, the City has acknowledged that Delta cannot be accommodated at Dallas Love Field after the expiration of the current sublease with American Airlines.? Delta will be allowed to continue operations in the old Terminal 1 until October 13, when Virgin America assumes control of two American gates in the new terminal.

?Delta is disappointed that the City of Dallas has made the decision to reduce competition and travel options at Dallas Love Field by failing to accommodate our service,? says Delta spokesman Trebor Banstetter. ?Delta remains committed to serving North Texas travelers from D/FW and Love Field airports, and will continue to work with all parties to find a solution.?

Banstetter says the airline was stunned when the city gave Delta its two weeks? notice this afternoon. He says it?s not yet clear how the airline will accommodate passengers who bought tickets from Love to Atlanta on or after October 13, but it?s likely they be redirected to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

Delta has been subleasing two gates American wasn?t using at the city-owned airport. Those are the same gates Southwest and Virgin America were fighting over earlier this year, after American settled with the U.S. Department of Justice by agreeing to turn over those gates to Virgin. After a lot of wrangling and hand-wringing among council members and Dallas City Manager A.C. Gonzalez, the city did as Justice wanted and turned over those gates to Virgin ? but not before Mayor Mike Rawlings called on city staff to find room for all comers at Love Field.

There are 20 gates at the Dallas Love Field, 16 of which are controlled by Southwest. Virgin has two, and United has two.

After the city awarded those the American gates to Virgin, Delta was hoping to find room somewhere ? anywhere ? at the airport, likely at those United gates. There was no guarantee the city would find room, but four months ago Mayor Mike Rawlings called on city staff to find room for all comers at Love Field.

?I?m disappointed on what?s happening on the United gates,? Rawlings said during a council meeting in May. ?They?re not using the landing slots. We have three airlines that want to come in here and do this, and we?ve got to figure out how to make that happen.? The three airlines to which he was referring were Southwest, Virgin and Delta.

Delta had actually hoped to expand its service out of Love Field with the expiration of the Wright Amendment. Banstetter says the airline was hoping to add 18 nonstops to five cities: New York, Los Angeles, Detroit, Minneapolis-St. Paul and two additional flights to Atlanta. Delta was going to upgrade from its current 50-seat planes, part of the Delta Connection regional service, to 117-seat Boeing 717 jets with first-class seating.

A United Airlines spokesperson said the carrier had not seen the letter and was not commenting on it. Messages have been left for Duebner and Gonzalez. We will update if and when they call back.

The city issued a press release Monday afternoon that says United will ?permanently relocate? from Terminal 1 to the main terminal on October 1. For now, says the release, ?Delta Airlines and Seaport will continue to operate out of Terminal 1.?
 
And just so someone knows, I'm just reporting the Aviation News that I find, don't take it personal but we all know you'll chime in in 3...2...1...
 
No, I just saw that too. That's honestly crazy, since DL has been operating there for a few years now while leasing gates from AA. It's amazing that the airport authority can't find one gate that can be used by a couple airlines. Hmmm. I guess the 717s slated to go there will find other cities. I wonder if DL will try to fight it? And they gave them 2 weeks notice, right? Nice.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Classy move by Dallas (check that).... SWA

Maybe we can whine to Congress about how we aren't able to compete like some others have done.

It's all about the LUV (or who's in their pocket)
 
Classy move by Dallas (check that).... SWA

Maybe we can whine to Congress about how we aren't able to compete like some others have done.

It's all about the LUV (or who's in their pocket)


Oh my my my, what a crushing blow to Delta...More excuses for you Delta guys to whine about SWA....So funny how you guys are so obsessed with SWA...
 
Fair is fair Mercy.....

If it was American or Alaska, I'd be complaining also......save your Delta envy for another board.
 
Almost 10 years ago to the day Delta reduced flying by 90 percent in DFW. From 254 daily flights to 21 over a 5 month period. Not to mention shutting down the maintenance operations and pilot/FA base. So if I'm the city of Dallas, I'm not exactly bending over backwards to help Delta. Not with two hometown airlines to satisfy and spirit/VA/JetBlue to provide alternatives.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-10-01-swa-dallas_x.htm
 
Fair is fair Mercy.....

If it was American or Alaska, I'd be complaining also......save your Delta envy for another board.

Oh don't give me the fair is fair garbage....that is funny...
 
Almost 10 years ago to the day Delta reduced flying by 90 percent in DFW. From 254 daily flights to 21 over a 5 month period. Not to mention shutting down the maintenance operations and pilot/FA base. So if I'm the city of Dallas, I'm not exactly bending over backwards to help Delta. Not with two hometown airlines to satisfy and spirit/VA/JetBlue to provide alternatives.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-10-01-swa-dallas_x.htm

10 years ago Southwest flew to 60 cities and Delta was the highest paid pilots in the business. Things change and if the city of Dallas thinks SWA is going to lower fares everywhere outta there....is really living in the past.

C'mon Spirit warriors, you were all crying about competition and whatnot at DCA and LGA years ago....why so quiet?!?!?
 
No, I just saw that too. That's honestly crazy, since DL has been operating there for a few years now while leasing gates from AA. It's amazing that the airport authority can't find one gate that can be used by a couple airlines. Hmmm. I guess the 717s slated to go there will find other cities. I wonder if DL will try to fight it? And they gave them 2 weeks notice, right? Nice.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Lets see, RJ's since 2008 and now all of a sudden DL wants to fly 717's to DAL. Wonder why that is? Now had they been flying mainline since 2008 they would have a case. Typical boorish airline management at its finest. Lets face it, the industry doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest. The smart one's realized long ago that flying in the back of a new Gulfstream is way better than free flight benefits, even if they are positive space.
 
Lets see, RJ's since 2008 and now all of a sudden DL wants to fly 717's to DAL. Wonder why that is? Now had they been flying mainline since 2008 they would have a case. Typical boorish airline management at its finest. Lets face it, the industry doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest. The smart one's realized long ago that flying in the back of a new Gulfstream is way better than free flight benefits, even if they are positive space.

The Wright Amendment prohibited planes with over 56 seats (not sure on the exact number of seats but it's around 56) from flying non-stop to any city outside of Texas except for the few exempted cities which were mostly in neighboring states. When the the Wright Amendment goes away that restriction is lifted. So that is how Delta was able to fly from DAL to ATL non-stop since 2008 under the Wright Amendment. They used 50 seat RJs.
 
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The Wright Amendment prohibited planes with over 56 seats (not sure on the exact number of seats but it's around 56) from flying non-stop to any city outside of Texas except for the few exempted cities which were mostly in neighboring states. When the the Wright Amendment goes away that restriction is lifted. So that is how Delta was able to fly from DAL to ATL non-stop since 2008 under the Wright Amendment. They used 50 seat RJs.

Well, clearly no one could have figured out a business model that could make money with those kind of restrictions on mainline aircraft........oh, wait a minute.
 
20 gates: SWA 16, VX 2, UA 2. That's all of them. What's Delta complaining about?

Actually, SWA is leasing one of the United gates now, so even though they only own 16, they're using 17. At least for now anyways.

If Delta truly wanted to operate out of Love they would need to pony up and lease a gate from one of the three owners.
 
I hope we use the MAT at LGA for remote parking....in spite.
 
I hope we use the MAT at LGA for remote parking....in spite.

Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.

Honestly, we've better things to do.

Rather, let's keep pulling down a multi-billion dollar annual profit, and continue doing it smartly. That's more than good enough for me (and my profit sharing check) - and a nice hefty peanut studded turd languishing in the kool-aid bowl for the anti-Delta crowd.
 
Rather, let's keep pulling down a multi-billion dollar annual profit, and continue doing it smartly. That's more than good enough for me (and my profit sharing check) - and a nice hefty peanut studded turd languishing in the kool-aid bowl for the anti-Delta crowd.

I'm all for major profits from you and everyone else for that matter, it's a sign of a healthy industry. So that's no turd in my punch bowl.

It is when you are losing money that I'm praying we're still making it.
 
Wow... Kinda funny to hear all those who want restrictions out of Love complain about restrictions. Maybe they should have put some chips in the game when the terminal stranglehold was put in place 8 yrs ago. Now that the terminal is built...."waaaaahhh.... There is no place for us..."
 
Wow... Kinda funny to hear all those who want restrictions out of Love complain about restrictions. Maybe they should have put some chips in the game when the terminal stranglehold was put in place 8 yrs ago. Now that the terminal is built...."waaaaahhh.... There is no place for us..."

This^^^
Exactly
 
Much funnier to listen to those who work for the airline that receives accommodation, complain about the airlines that get evicted #rolleyes
 
I'm wondering: So SWA wanted that LUV gate and it ended up going to Virgin. If it were revealed that AC Gonzales (City Mgr) was related to a former Virgin exec, would that represent a problem?
 
I'm wondering: So SWA wanted that LUV gate and it ended up going to Virgin. If it were revealed that AC Gonzales (City Mgr) was related to a former Virgin exec, would that represent a problem?
Nope.

The gates were going to whomever the DOJ dictated. Had Gonzales defied the DOJ it simply would have ended up in litigation but the result likely would have ended up the same.



"On Monday, the U.S. Justice Department wrote the city a letter saying Virgin America is the only airline it approves of using the two gates.
American Airlines is sub-leasing the gates to Virgin America as part of its deal with the Justice Department to merge with US Airways.
The Justice Department told the city that it would reject the city?s attempts to have Southwest or Delta use the gates. The government says Virgin America would bring competition into the airport dominated by Southwest."


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/07/decision-on-love-field-gates-expected-friday/
 
Delta can have as many gates as they want at DFW, so could Virgin. What 15 miles away?
Where was everyone fighting to get rid of the Wright Ad. Where?
Delta had a base in DFW and closed it.
SWA paid millions and millions of dollars to fight the Wright Ad.
Delta could have flown 717 DAL-SHV-ATL?
Wright Ad still says 20 gates and no international flights...wow still in the U.S.?
 
Delta can have as many gates as they want at DFW, so could Virgin. What 15 miles away?
Where was everyone fighting to get rid of the Wright Ad. Where?
Delta had a base in DFW and closed it.
SWA paid millions and millions of dollars to fight the Wright Ad.
Delta could have flown 717 DAL-SHV-ATL?
Wright Ad still says 20 gates and no international flights...wow still in the U.S.?

It's about connecting to a hub. DL had been leasing a gate from AA for the past couple years, and finally got the "right sized" mainline plane to fit the route (717), and now there aren't any gates. I don't see anything nefarious here. They wanted to offer customers a choice going to the Metroplex, and now they can't. That's too bad, but you're going overboard. And DL did move out of most of their DFW gates years ago, but still offer mainline service to several hubs. They didn't abandon the market, they moved the hub elsewhere.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Metroplex? DFW is not in the metroplex? Delta had most of E and the satellite terminal for how many years? They had a share of the market in Dallas and a lot of loyal customers, they left.
 
Nope.

The gates were going to whomever the DOJ dictated. Had Gonzales defied the DOJ it simply would have ended up in litigation but the result likely would have ended up the same.



"On Monday, the U.S. Justice Department wrote the city a letter saying Virgin America is the only airline it approves of using the two gates.
American Airlines is sub-leasing the gates to Virgin America as part of its deal with the Justice Department to merge with US Airways.
The Justice Department told the city that it would reject the city?s attempts to have Southwest or Delta use the gates. The government says Virgin America would bring competition into the airport dominated by Southwest."


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/07/decision-on-love-field-gates-expected-friday/

Ok. Let's say the doj decision maker was related to a past exec at VA and did not disclose it. Purposely didn't reveal the family connection. Still fine with it?
 

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