HAL converts A350-8 orders to A330neo...

[Microclimates]

Discuss...

 

[808pilot]

source?

 

[Microclimates]

HApeople and ATW...

kind of redefines the mission (range) of these 6 aircraft, doesn't it?

Hawaiian to Add New Airbus A330-800neo to Fleet
Airline's Order for A350XWB-800s Cancelled
HONOLULU, July 22, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Hawaiian Airlines today announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus to acquire six new A330-800neo aircraft starting in 2019, with rights to purchase an additional six aircraft as part of the carrier's vision to serve farther non-stop destinations from Hawai'i.

The order replaces Hawaiian Airline's existing order for six A350XWB-800 aircraft, which were due for delivery from 2017. Hawaiian Airline's overall capital commitments will decrease in absolute terms and will be pushed further into the future. For the period through the end of 2018, this amounts to $500 million. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed, but the aircraft have a total list-price value of approximately $2.9 billion if all of the purchase rights are exercised.
"The A330-800neo's fuel efficiency, additional range and commonality with our existing A330 fleet makes the A330-800neo an elegant solution to our need for growth aircraft toward the end of this decade," said Mark Dunkerley, Hawaiian Airlines president and chief executive officer.
"Hawaiian Airlines has long recognized the value of innovation and today's commitment is yet more evidence of that forward-thinking mindset," said John Leahy, Airbus chief operating officer, customers. "The A330-800neo will serve the Hawaiian network well as the airline continues to expand in Asia and grow its capacity in mature markets. The aircraft will provide unbeatable value in a very large and important segment of the wide-body market."
The A330-800neo wide-body is similar in size to Hawaiian Airline's A330-200 which seats 294 passengers in a two class configuration (First and Coach), and will incorporate aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. The new aircraft will have up to a 400-nautical mile increase in range and reduced fuel consumption by 14 percent per seat with the latest generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines.
Hawaiian Airlines currently operates a fleet of 50 aircraft, comprised of 29 wide-body, long-haul aircraft (294-seat A330-200 aircraft and 252 to 264-seat Boeing 767-300 aircraft), 18 narrow-body 118 to 123-seat Boeing 717-200 aircraft and three 48-seat ATR42-500 for Neighbor Island flights.
Hawaiian Airline's existing orders include an additional four new A330-200s for delivery by 2015 and 16 narrow-body A321neo aircraft starting in 2017.
About Hawaiian Airlines

... on another note, seems that we are also operating 3 ATR42...

 

[808pilot]

thanks... i found the article right after i asked... i think its probably a good thing... instead of pressing for the 350 ol' dunk stuck to what's working... i guess he and one of the airbus execs go way back and they were pressing hard for us to stick to the 350 but dunk wasn't buying it... BUT... what do i know... just a line pilot...

 

[Microclimates]

yeah, same here. I just sit in the seat and do the crosswords (badly)...

BUT... an extra 400nm is quite a different animal than the supposed range of a A350... That is what I find interesting: this redefines the markets that are within reach quite radically (not that I have a problem with that, necessarily)-- it's a pretty big strategic shift... different flavor Koolaid.

 

[Dan Roman]

I think the market the longer range A/C was for was Hong Kong, Singapore, KL area. Deeper into Asia than what we now do. Also Western Australia? Doesn't sound like that is an option now.

 

[BentOver]

I don't care what a/c is on order or where we send it..as long as we continue to make money and take deliveries

 

[Dan Roman]

I don't care what a/c is on order or where we send it..as long as we continue to make money and take deliveries

Agreed, these guys seem to know what they are doing.

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed Gary Kelly likes common fleet types, not all this mix and match



I keed I keed

 

[Dan Roman]

Agreed Gary Kelly likes common fleet types, not all this mix and match



I keed I keed

Knew that was coming!

 

[waveflyer]

I know(!)
Pretty dumb at this point
Cheers, and glad things are going well there

 

[BentOver]

Yeah my original post was " wow 5 posts and not a single SWA guy chimed in about those being SWA aircraft soon..."

 

[waveflyer]

Such little faith in my troll-ness

 

[...Lost]

My understanding is that airbus will lighten the ZFW, up the MTOW, and get the 14% improved burn from the Trent engines. Thus gaining an additional 400nm range, but significantly improve on its full payload range (as the 332 has the range but without any payload, TLS-HNL). John Leahy said in the press release for the neo that it would be capable of HNL-LHR. We shall see..

 

[fly4surf]

In 5 years

 

[ROSWELL41]

My understanding is that airbus will lighten the ZFW, up the MTOW, and get the 14% improved burn from the Trent engines. Thus gaining an additional 400nm range, but significantly improve on its full payload range (as the 332 has the range but without any payload, TLS-HNL). John Leahy said in the press release for the neo that it would be capable of HNL-LHR. We shall see..

What's the obsession with HNL-LHR? Surely if this was some gold mine of a route BA or Delta would already be flying it.

 

[Jim]

Also in 2019 instead of 2017 like the 350 was supposed to be here, or like a 787 could have been here.

 

[blade230]

Also in 2019 instead of 2017 like the 350 was supposed to be here, or like a 787 could have been here.

So delayed long haul growth plans for HAL then, since they are not taking the aircraft when earliest available. I believe the 330neo-900 will deliver in 2017, and the 800 in early 2018.

 

[Jim]

So delayed long haul growth plans for HAL then, since they are not taking the aircraft when earliest available. I believe the 330neo-900 will deliver in 2017, and the 800 in early 2018.

But we will still be growing big with all the 321neos on order.

 

[...Lost]

What's the obsession with HNL-LHR? Surely if this was some gold mine of a route BA or Delta would already be flying it.

Hawaiian's CEO is British and has previously stated his desire to potentially serve Europe. Current demand would probably suffice for 2-3 times weekly service, but potential yields are questionable. Hawaiian has been very successful in stimulating demand in new markets and making money while exapanding, so clearly they are doing something right.

 

[johnsonrod]

Hawaiian's CEO is British and has previously stated his desire to potentially serve Europe. Current demand would probably suffice for 2-3 times weekly service, but potential yields are questionable. Hawaiian has been very successful in stimulating demand in new markets and making money while exapanding, so clearly they are doing something right.

Don't you remember Higgins from Magnum PI? He was British and he lived on the huge Robin Masters Estate on Oahu. That is proof that the Limeys would flock to Hawaii if direct service existed. I say go for it!!!!

 

[...Lost]

Don't you remember Higgins from Magnum PI? He was British and he lived on the huge Robin Masters Estate on Oahu. That is proof that the Limeys would flock to Hawaii if direct service existed. I say go for it!!!!

Precisely!

 

[xjhawk]

Did someone say growing? Lets hope for hiring soon!

 

[Microclimates]

Personally I hope we stay away from Europe (having been born and raised there, I am familiar with the distance)...
Those Euros who feel like they want to vacay in HI already do, but virtually nobody would go this distance JUST for a tropical getaway. If that's what you are after, there are plenty of other cheaper and easier options from Europe. Those who come here think "USA trip", which equates to multiple stops: NYC, LA or SFO, and HI.... in this idea of a vacation, non-stop service to HI is pretty much useless. but what do I know...

As far as our faith in market planning departments: they are definitely doing something right (though-not to burst the bubble- every US carrier is posting profits that are in line with ours, as a percentage of revenue, if not better) but they have also made some pretty hefty oopsies too: FUK, TPE... and how is AKL shaking out (I am asking- don't know)...

 

[waveflyer]

What is the most popular tropical spot for euros?

 

[fr8doggie]

What is the most popular tropical spot for euros?

Saw a BA 767 in NAU yesterday. I'm guessing it was headed for LHR.

Is SWA serving NAU now or is it still AirTran?

 

[waveflyer]

Bahamas Aruba Jamaica just began
The rest on scheduled dates over the next few months as the transition finalizes

 

[Microclimates]

I know Italians love to go to Cuba, and the caribbean in general. Southern Africa (mauritius, madagascar etc) are 'easy' because virtually no time change. Maldives are also very popular for divers...

 

[nethan]

If the new 330s can reach FRA, there is a huge market from that part of Europe on to NZ and Australia. A two hop flight through Hawaii (with a few days or weeks on the ground) sounds a lot better than going through Dubai or LA.

 

[fr8doggie]

Bahamas Aruba Jamaica just began
The rest on scheduled dates over the next few months as the transition finalizes

Great! Hope you guys get some layovers.