Delta and college GPA

[acaTerry]

OK let me ask....how big does your college GPA get factor in an invitation for an interview? I did fairly well my last 2 years, after Marines boot camp gave me the wake up call I needed. But I was such a goof off in my first two years that my GPA was mortally wounded beyond help...let's say I graduated with pretty well under 3.0 (out of 4.0). Is it still worth a shot?

 

[General Lee]

OK let me ask....how big does your college GPA get factor in an invitation for an interview? I did fairly well my last 2 years, but I was such a goof off in my first two years that my GPA was mortally wounded beyond help...let's say I graduated with pretty well under 3.0 (out of 4.0). Is it still worth a shot?

It is worth a shot, but apparently right now your app is put into one of three piles. First pile is "we gotta have this person right now." The second is "not bad, but let's wait a bit." Third is a Nope.

I don't know how many F15 guys with 4.0s and Master Degrees are out there, but I bet DL, AA, and UAL will be going after them too. Try to get a recommendation, make sure your app is clean, and give it a shot. Hiring should last for years at all of the big 3. Go for it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[goahead]

No GPA required if you work at Endeavor (slim bag regional) heck you don't even need a degree if you work there to get on at DAL otherwise you need above a 3.0 to be in the first stack from what I've been told...... Flow and hiring agreements have made it impossible to say DAL, UA & AA hire the best educated and most talented pilots nowadays. One thing is for sure if you don't put your stuff in they won't hire you!!

 

[i fly boxes]

Its harder to get the interview than it is to pass the interview in your scenario. Frustrating to say the least. Delta views your whole life from highschool and makes a decision based on things like your gpa. Once you are in the interview you get a chance to tell them exactly what you just told us and by all accounts the interviewers are professional guys who will say we understand, way to pull it together and your hired. but like the other posters said, your app is scored against people who didnt do what you or i or others did and it might take awhile to get there. Good luck either way, your not the only one in that scenario.

 

[outerfix]

In other words, they want boy scouts that were born with a silver spoons in their mouths. I could have been done in four years with great grades if I wasn't working two jobs to put myself through college. If they don't want pilots that pull themselves up by the bootstraps, their loss.

 

[General Lee]

In other words, they want boy scouts that were born with a silver spoons in their mouths. I could have been done in four years with great grades if I wasn't working two jobs to put myself through college. If they don't want pilots that pull themselves up by the bootstraps, their loss.

Whoa! Relax Jack! They have essentially just started hiring this year and have another 8-9 to go. There are 800 age 65 retirements scheduled in the year 2022 alone, and similar numbers leading up to that particular year. Huge upward movement for everyone.

In the beginning they are being picky, because they can. They do have flow ups from Compass and a number of interviews for the Endeavor pilots, but for the off the street guys, they can be picky right now. Those guys are sought after by all 3 legacies, SWA, FedEx, and the other well paying carriers, so that pool of highly competitive pilots will dry up fast. Relax..



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Rick James]

Here is a question from the opposite end of the spectrum, could a 4.0 GPA be detrimental? Could that high of a GPA lead to questions about your personality, or lack thereof, and the institution from which you graduated?

 

[kwick]

When the next downturn or 9/11 type event occurs, you probably will be on the street for quite awhile.

Being number 12,000 on a seniority list has never proven to be a very secure place to be.

 

[General Lee]

When the next downturn or 9/11 type event occurs, you probably will be on the street for quite awhile.

Being number 12,000 on a seniority list has never proven to be a very secure place to be.

Except there are 5,000 pilots at DL leaving due to retirements (15,000 at the big 3 combined) Consolidation of airlines has occurred since 9-11, and bag and change fees have changed the industry revenue wise. Other than all that, sure, maybe.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Go to as many job fairs as you can find

Find other ways to get your app into that first pile

Once you get an interview it is about how you answer that question
Emphasize your progression and how you grew.

Your situation is much better than having an identical gpa where the pilot was simply average throughout, or god forbid- an excellent student who fell off a cliff once 21 hit-

It's always how you explain it-

Do whatever you can to differentiate yourself?

If you can find a good program that helps your life in another way- consider a master's
Ace that and you'll be in the right pile.

And no- a 4.0 is not looked down upon.
They have other ways to figure out if your personality is a sticking point
(Besides, this is delta anyway....)

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

They have other ways to figure out if your personality is a sticking point
(Besides, this is delta anyway....)

I mean we figured out Wavey pretty quick and didn't hire him, so something over here works....

Tic wave

 

[rumpletumbler]

I've heard from more than one Endeavor crew that they are treated rudely at the interviews and it's just a formality as they were never going to be hired. I've no idea if this is correct or sour grapes.

 

[northstar]

Here is a question from the opposite end of the spectrum, could a 4.0 GPA be detrimental? Could that high of a GPA lead to questions about your personality, or lack thereof, and the institution from which you graduated?

4.0 detrimental? is THAT why you got a 2.2? Just kidding.

How can it be detrimental? Dude, there ARE smart people out there with personalities. This isn't is police interview where they ask you if you ever tried some pot.

If 50 applicants ALL have a letter of rec, same hours, and clean past, you HAVE to rank them some how, ehh?

 

[General Lee]

I've heard from more than one Endeavor crew that they are treated rudely at the interviews and it's just a formality as they were never going to be hired. I've no idea if this is correct or sour grapes.

I think I read on the other website that the majority of the 490 or so newhires this year so far have been Endeavor pilots. Not everyone over there is going to be hired, unless they had the flow up provision.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flash]

It is worth a shot, but apparently right now your app is put into one of three piles. First pile is "we gotta have this person right now." The second is "not bad, but let's wait a bit." Third is a Nope.

I don't know how many F15 guys with 4.0s and Master Degrees are out there, but I bet DL, AA, and UAL will be going after them too. Try to get a recommendation, make sure your app is clean, and give it a shot. Hiring should last for years at all of the big 3. Go for it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Why would airlines want to hire pilots with masters degrees? Seems like overkill unless the pilot wants to slither into a management job down the line.

 

[General Lee]

Why would airlines want to hire pilots with masters degrees? Seems like overkill unless the pilot wants to slither into a management job down the line.

Dedication? They can focus? I don't know, but it certainly doesn't hurt. I think they used to hire guys in their early 30s with a family and a Military background. Now all of those guys are scheduled to retire within a 5-10 year period and there will be a hiring shortage. I think they've learned to hire different types of pilots with different age ranges to avoid that again.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[drinksonme]

I got an email for an interview. I have 3.0 GPA, have a misdemeanor on my record (not proud of it), and failed a checkride in GA training. Just goes to show you, no one has a clue what they are looking for.

Note: I respectfully turned down the interview as I am already employed at another legacy.

 

[Buzo]

Minimum GPA for an interview is currently 2.5

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I've heard from more than one Endeavor crew that they are treated rudely at the interviews and it's just a formality as they were never going to be hired. I've no idea if this is correct or sour grapes.

I've also heard through channels that a lot of the early people coming in from Endeavor weren't prepared for the interview. Like lost....

I don't know which side to believe....good luck to all who try. Beer on me when we fly.

 

[vixin]

I had a 3.0, did it in 3 1/2 years while flying freight and working two other jobs. I am glad DAL wasn't hiring when I was looking. Such superficial BS. I fly with guys that are lawyers, doctors or have maters in Engineering. Some of them cant fly worth a crap, have zero SA and no personal skills. Then there's the few who never went to college, great pilots and a blast to be with. Just another way for DAL and any other airline to miss out on great candidates. Same with SWA idiotic type requirement. We miss a lot of great pilots because of that.