Why hire military over your competition?

[maru657]

Once again, Airlines like military trained pilots because their easy. Programmed to obey. This is why ALPA is a joke, and please don't reference military service. Plenty of those so called civilian trained pilots had military experience. They just didn't have a degree or membership in the good old boys squadron club.

 

[Pirate]

I would say one year at a 135 or 121 outfit would dismiss the military equivalent.

Ok, now your turn. How many of that Southwest class meet that criteria? Now how about at AA? Delta?

I know 5 guys that have been hired in the past few months. All had time at either a 121 or 135 operator. However the first thing guys like you see is that they once wore a uniform or are still in the ANG and you label them a "military" guy. The fact is the hiring of pure 100% AD pilots is much less than those with other additional experience. It just doesn't fit the discrimination argument.

You keep pointing to the magical 26 as proof. You must know all their backgrounds. How many had 121 or 135 time?

 

[scoreboardII]

Not accepting status quo as gospel. Small acts of defiance. Like just exercising a vote of choice. Pushing against managements advances which serves to create an imbalance in a work/employee environment. Some, not all military guys have an I trust my leadership too much mentality.

It's a not a trust thing, it's a hope thing that if they don't make waves, nothing bad happens, it's not trust.

 

[Boxboy]

Pretty interesting thread. No one should claim any credibility until one has walked a mile in one's shoes. I sense inferiority complex amongst some posters. Flying skills are based on each individual... yes, I agree, civilian or military background. To say that a military guy, whether fighter/single seat or heavy/multi-crew experience, should fly at a regional carrier before going to the majors is ludicrous.
Think for a minute before opening one's pie hole as to not make a jackass of oneself. Is the military that naive to send a 23 year old out on a mission strapped to a jet worth 8 figures with just a few hundred hours in type? How about a 25 year old in command of a C/KC-xx transport type aircraft worth 9 figures flying all over the world? Our military has achieved air superiority in every single war/conflict. We must be doing something right. Airline flying is point A to point B. I'm pretty confident that our military boys and girls can do that effectively while mastering 121/91 rules.

 

[pilotyip]

What I've said is BS is a fighter guy coming in with 2000 hours and that fighter time ACTUALLY adjusted UP to artificially make them more qualified, when a civilian has to have 6000-10000 hours in transport category 121 airplanes for the same opportunity. And they've been actually doing the job THEYRE BEING HIRED TO DO
How do you argue that yip? How is that not discrimination?.

You know you could just say "Thank You for your service" After all your ability to be anything you want to be is due to freedom's found in this country. There is someone to thank for those freedoms. They really put up with a lot of stuff most civilians do not have to put up with. Like being home with a new born only 6 months of 24, because of the needs of service. These guys take great pride in their service and it doesn't rub off all that easy. As these vet's approach their final days, when they look back on a their lives almost universally they view their days in the service as among the most meaningful of their lives.

Since you were never there, I doubt you would understand.

 

[nordo_2]

You know you could just say "Thank You for your service" After all your ability to be anything you want to be is due to freedom's found in this country. There is someone to thank for those freedoms. They really put up with a lot of stuff most civilians do not have to put up with. Like being home with a new born only 6 months of 24, because of the needs of service. These guys take great pride in their service and it doesn't rub off all that easy. As these vet's approach their final days, when they look back on a their lives almost universally they view their days in the service as among the most meaningful of their lives.

Since you were never there, I doubt you would understand.

Veterans come in all types. This thread seems to forgo a civilian trained aviator as a veteran. Military service and pilot are not exclusive to each other. I don't want to creep into my service is more valid than yours. Better to argue the merits of the training and experience as a pilot, not a veteran.

 

[pilotyip]

Veterans come in all types. This thread seems to forgo a civilian trained aviator as a veteran. Military service and pilot are not exclusive to each other. I don't want to creep into my service is more valid than yours. Better to argue the merits of the training and experience as a pilot, not a veteran.

That is true they come in all flavors, and I knew enlisted aircrew types who wanted to become airline pilots, good guys and a lot them made it. The post was directed at those who seen resentful of a military trained pilot being hired at an airline because they are not a s good as them. Fortunately they are not on the pilot selection committee, but maybe in their next TA they could exclude military trained pilots, think that would float?

 

[maru657]

It's this simple. Look at who gravitates to management. Military pilots. They set the hiring standards. I saw an application once that wanted flight time broken down in ridiculous increments. Something the military uses. When you figure a 20 year career might net them possibly all of 3000 hours. No flight allowed into areas of boxed weather and once again this is why we have to re-invent windshear every few years or so with it's attendant training requirements because it can't be that kernel blowhard and his "Co" major spread were incompetent to begin with.

 

[SWA Bubba]

It's this simple. Look at who gravitates to management. Military pilots. They set the hiring standards. I saw an application once that wanted flight time broken down in ridiculous increments. Something the military uses. When you figure a 20 year career might net them possibly all of 3000 hours. No flight allowed into areas of boxed weather and once again this is why we have to re-invent windshear every few years or so with it's attendant training requirements because it can't be that kernel blowhard and his "Co" major spread were incompetent to begin with.

It is pretty simple.

It's pretty obvious as a "1st class civilian," that you don't have the first friggin' clue about anything to do with the military. Nothing. Nothing about military flight hours, nothing about military flying in weather, and as you continually prove time and again, nothing about even airline flying in this decade, or even the last.

You're an old, retired dinosaur, who for some reason, turns up on FI every now and again simply to throw random turds. You wouldn't know a "kernel" unless you picked it out of your own turd. You bring to the table absolutely no facts, no rational argument, and no discourse one can address; you just spew insults. I guess today's random insult is about military pilots. What happened?--Did they forget your pudding again at the home today?

Tell you what, Maru, when we need advice on what the airlines were like in the day of the DC-6 or the DC-8 (and the pillbox hat on stewardesses), then we'll call you. Or if we need union advice about how to deal with Frank Lorenzo or George Meany, we'll look you up. Or if we want to know how to spit on servicemembers like you did in the early 1970s Viet Nam era, then you're our guy. Until then, please expect to have your random, vile crapola dismissed as that of a senile old man.

Whew!... -I- sure feel better now. How about you?

Bubba

 

[pilotyip]

Whew!... -I- sure feel better now. How about you?

Bubba

Wow, you must feel better. It is amazing how all these guys who have never walked in the shoes of a military pilot know so much about the inadequacy of these military trained pilots.

I know I was exposed to things at a total time of 150 hours than no civilian ever sees in an entire career. I know that at a 1000 hours I had no idea how to enter the traffic pattern at a civilian airport, but planning a flight as a Aircraft Commander across the Atlantic or Pacific was so routine that it was no big deal. Learning to be a 121 pilot is just another training evolution.