Virgin Awarded Love Field Gates

[scoreboardII]

The Little Texas airline is in Big trouble...a Virgin is in town...seriously maybe a little competition will help convince mgmt that our product is not invincible in Texas....or any where else...

All for free competition, now where is VX getting it's money from?

 

[pilotpm]

Wow-- that's pretty fvcked up. I sure hope you told KD (our j/s coordinator) about that. No airplane at any airline should leave with ANY open seat that a jumpseater could occupy (W/B limits aside).

I believe he was saying Sun Country did this. Not VX.

When I worked for ATA, they did the same thing. No employees, ours or anyone else's, in FC. ATA, like VX, would upgrade paying pax to get jumpseaters on the aircraft. That was with an ALPA contract by the way.

 

[Tomct]

Well, everyone can beat their chests and cry foul...whatever! We got the gates, everyone will make their money and things will move on.

I find it funny how someone that used to work at Virgin is now condemning us for coming into LUV. Wave, we were good for you to keep you current until you got a job at SWA?? Great, glad we could help you out.

Please cut the Sh!t with all of your SWA chest beating etc. You guys have enough problems just trying to merge your two lists and keeping your culture, that is eroding by the way, in tact.

I have plenty of friends who work at SWA that "GET IT," its the way the airline bouncing ball works. Everyone said we would have already failed and yet, here we are. Now SWA peeps are talking about bringing out the lawyers to challenge our ownership...AGAIN.....YHGTBSM! Get a LIFE already and just fly your trips and we will fly ours.

Sadly, pilots in general, are our own worst enemies. It's all about me...me...me! Well, get used to it...WE are going to be in LUV and we will do just fine. Good luck to everyone out there in Airline land!

If you want a ride, you are more than welcome! I always appreciate the rides I catch on SWA and you guys/gals are always great to all of us commuters. THANK YOU!!

Now back to your general B!tching board on flight info....

 

[scoreboardII]

Good luck.

The question, what will you do with just two gates? Curious how many flights your other locations generate per gate? Not slamming, just trying to see the why or how VX thinks two gates are that important, or, that there is a hope in heck of encroaching on SWA's playing field.

Is Vx giving up their DFW gates?

 

[LoveGun]

Good luck.

The question, what will you do with just two gates? Curious how many flights your other locations generate per gate? Not slamming, just trying to see the why or how VX thinks two gates are that important, or, that there is a hope in heck of encroaching on SWA's playing field.

Is Vx giving up their DFW gates?

I think the idea is that since DAL has limited gates, it will limit the competitive response. VX will be flying to LGA an DCA out of DAL, both of those airports are slot restricted, and SWA won't flood those markets in response. SFO and LAX will be another story. It will be interesting to see if LUV uses valuable DAL gate space to flood those markets. In the past, when VX entered a new market, the competition always responded by adding a ton of capacity at a huge discount. Until the locals discover VX's superior product, VX operates at a loss in those new markets. Historically it takes VX 6 months to a year to start turning a profit on a new route. DAL, with its high barriers to entry, could be different. VX could turn a proffit from the start... Maybe. Judging by SWA's response they are not happy about this turn of events.

 

[HowardBorden]

I think the idea is that since DAL has limited gates, it will limit the competitive response. VX will be flying to LGA an DCA out of DAL, both of those airports are slot restricted, and SWA won't flood those markets in response. SFO and LAX will be another story. It will be interesting to see if LUV uses valuable DAL gate space to flood those markets. In the past, when VX entered a new market, the competition always responded by adding a ton of capacity at a huge discount. Until the locals discover VX's superior product, VX operates at a loss in those new markets. Historically it takesfor as VX 6 months to a year to start turning a profit on a new route. DAL, with its high barriers to entry, could be different. VX could turn a proffit from the start... Maybe. Judging by SWA's response they are not happy about this turn of events.

I'm not sure exactly how they will respond, it really truly will be an entire new ballgame at Love come October. My guess is they are prepared to "bleed" Virgin for a very long time. But, what do I know I'm just I guy they pay to fly planes from point A to B.

 

[kwick]

Unless they give away seats for free, I don 't see how ValueJet/SW can compete at DAL.

Maybe VJ/SW will finally allow their passengers to buy an assigned seat and be able to
sit with their own family or friends, rather than being split up.

That would be worth about $100 for most people.

 

[scoreboardII]

Unless they give away seats for free, I don 't see how ValueJet/SW can compete at DAL.

Maybe VJ/SW will finally allow their passengers to buy an assigned seat and be able to
sit with their own family or friends, rather than being split up.

That would be worth about $100 for most people.

you can do that now for about $25 per ticket.

 

[canyonblue]

Maybe VJ/SW will finally allow their passengers to buy an assigned seat and be able to
sit with their own family or friends, rather than being split up.

Yeah, because families never get split up at airlines that assign seats? Are you really that stupid?

 

[kwick]

Yeah, because families never get split up at airlines that assign seats? Are you really that stupid?

Yeah, they get split up, but mostly it's on purpose to avoid sitting next
to you.

You haven't figured that out yet?

 

[canyonblue]

Yeah, they get split up, but mostly it's on purpose to avoid sitting next
to you.

You haven't figured that out yet?

Wow, great comeback.

 

[redflyer65]

Yeah, they get split up, but mostly it's on purpose to avoid sitting next
to you.

You haven't figured that out yet?

Fail.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I believe he was saying Sun Country did this. Not VX.

When I worked for ATA, they did the same thing. No employees, ours or anyone else's, in FC. ATA, like VX, would upgrade paying pax to get jumpseaters on the aircraft. That was with an ALPA contract by the way.

Yes- I realize he was talking about sun country & that's what I was referencing. It's BS he was left at gate because they're too stingy to simply upgrade the highest ff program member to FC to get him on. (Like what vx does). I'll assume the cockpit j/s was also already taken...and yes; that would also be quite awkward I'd think for flight crew--some offline guy crowding their space while perfectly good seat is open in back. I was saying he needs to tell our j/s coordinator (at vx) about it.

 

[bri5150]

Yes- I realize he was talking about sun country & that's what I was referencing. It's BS he was left at gate because they're too stingy to simply upgrade the highest ff program member to FC to get him on. (Like what vx does). I'll assume the cockpit j/s was also already taken...and yes; that would also be quite awkward I'd think for flight crew--some offline guy crowding their space while perfectly good seat is open in back. I was saying he needs to tell our j/s coordinator (at vx) about it.

Jumpseat was taken. I guarantee that jumpseater sat in that fc seat. It worked out fine as I headed to Delta and they put me in first class. I just lost another hour and a half at home. Both flights were redeyes.

 

[waveflyer]

Aww Tomct has some sensitive feelers....

Anyway, I never worked at virgin, just was surprised that anyone would restrict first class like that. Again, if I was still at my legacy freely giving virgin jumpseaters a first class ride when able, I'd be pissed that they keep me out of it because I'd "devalue the product"
It's just a disrespectful policy.

It shows your priorities. Employees last. You are the Help. Not worthy of the occasional upgrade.

As far as love field. I could give a f^ck less about the two gates. It's two gates. I still think we should fight to get the restrictions lifted, and love could actually get whatever amount of gates the market can withstand.

So preach on Tomct. Just remember, you wrote a pretty long stressed out post on the same anonymous bitch board you just lectured all of us on.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Jumpseat was taken. I guarantee that jumpseater sat in that fc seat. It worked out fine as I headed to Delta and they put me in first class. I just lost another hour and a half at home. Both flights were redeyes.

Did you tell KD? That 'policy' won't change until someone calls them on it. Like i said; if any airline knowingly pushes with an open seat and leaves a jumper behind, j/s coordinators need to get involved.

 

[bri5150]

Did you tell KD? That 'policy' won't change until someone calls them on it. Like i said; if any airline knowingly pushes with an open seat and leaves a jumper behind, j/s coordinators need to get involved.

I didn't in this issue, but I did on another and nothing got changed on the Sun Country side. I would also like to add that the crews on SC rock. They always take care of us.

 

[redflyer65]

Here we go...


http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/05/19/5830055/southwest-airlines-announces-new.html

$99 fares out of Love.

 

[bri5150]

For a week on two of the four routes that VX is flying.

 

[redflyer65]

For a week on two of the four routes that VX is flying.

I pretty sure they will be extended Bri, just like the ones that started ATL. Many of those are still in affect today. Hopefully Branson will step up for another cash infusion.

 

[bri5150]

I pretty sure they will be extended Bri, just like the ones that started ATL. Many of those are still in affect today. Hopefully Branson will step up for another cash infusion.

Another fi.com beautiful post. /sigh

 

[bri5150]

I pretty sure they will be extended Bri, just like the ones that started ATL. Many of those are still in affect today. Hopefully Branson will step up for another cash infusion.

Another beautiful fi.com post. /sigh

 

[scoreboardII]

Painful, yet accurate post.

If the VX model was a viable business model, wouldn't it already be raking in tons of cash?

 

[bri5150]

The business model may be viable, but the execution of said model has been less than stellar until the last year and a half. Mr. McCleod turned this place around within a couple months of being here. That is the biggest difference. At this point I pray that management doesn't lose labor's commitment to the product because that is the biggest part of our product...no matter who is to blame for this increasingly dysfunctional relationship.

 

[Flyer1015]

The business model may be viable, but the execution of said model has been less than stellar until the last year and a half. Mr. McCleod turned this place around within a couple months of being here. That is the biggest difference. At this point I pray that management doesn't lose labor's commitment to the product because that is the biggest part of our product...no matter who is to blame for this increasingly dysfunctional relationship.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[scoreboardII]

The business model may be viable, but the execution of said model has been less than stellar until the last year and a half. Mr. McCleod turned this place around within a couple months of being here. That is the biggest difference. At this point I pray that management doesn't lose labor's commitment to the product because that is the biggest part of our product...no matter who is to blame for this increasingly dysfunctional relationship.

I think the reason VX turned around is capacity control and or reductions by everyone else, left some meet on the bone sts. Good luck though.

 

[bri5150]

What is that supposed to mean?

It means there are a lot of unhappy folks around VX...evidenced by the recent news of the inflight trying to organize as well as other things. I am not saying they should be happy, and I am not saying they will intentionally degrade their service. What I am saying is that unhappy employees will find it harder and harder to give the kind of service they have given in the past...that is just human nature. I worry that this unhappiness will degrade our product. Just a neutral statement of concern, no matter who is to blame.

 

[Flyer1015]

It means there are a lot of unhappy folks around VX...evidenced by the recent news of the inflight trying to organize as well as other things. I am not saying they should be happy, and I am not saying they will intentionally degrade their service. What I am saying is that unhappy employees will find it harder and harder to give the kind of service they have given in the past...that is just human nature. I worry that this unhappiness will degrade our product. Just a neutral statement of concern, no matter who is to blame.

Maybe they feel they aren't being treated in a manner that reflects what is expected from them. IMO, the ITM/Ls do a great job day in, day out. Good for them for having their union run. Why do you claim there are "unhappy folks" which is "evidenced by the news of trying to organize." ??? It's just business. They are being left off the table and the only way to gain a spot at the table is to organize. You sound like a no-vote for the pilot side.

Remember that one saying by a prominent CEO of one of the most successful airlines in this country? "Take care of employees, employees will take care of customers, customers will take care of the company and its investors."

 

[bri5150]

Maybe they feel they aren't being treated in a manner that reflects what is expected from them. IMO, the ITM/Ls do a great job day in, day out. Good for them for having their union run. Why do you claim there are "unhappy folks" which is "evidenced by the news of trying to organize." ??? It's just business. They are being left off the table and the only way to gain a spot at the table is to organize. You sound like a no-vote for the pilot side.

Remember that one saying by a prominent CEO of one of the most successful airlines in this country? "Take care of employees, employees will take care of customers, customers will take care of the company and its investors."

Not sure why you are trying to pick a fight with me by putting words in my mouth. Your response has nothing to do with my comments. I never said the ITM's don't do a great job. I said I worry it won't continue. Our ITM's work their arse off and don't get treated accordingly.

As far as my "happy" comments, I guess I assumed people would understand I meant with the company. Yes, the ITM's can be personally happy without being happy with the company. I am sorry I didn't clarify.

On all other points, I won't be baited into a union anti-union argument. Please don't put words in my mouth or make counterpoints to my posts that make it look like I am on one side or the other. My above comments are neutral and I will remain just that until it is time to vote.

 

[scoreboardII]

I don't equate unionizing with poor customer service or even a bad relationship with management. It's more a survival of the fittest mode if the shizzle hits the fan, do you want to enter chapter 7/11 or a merger unrepresented?