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Some things just don't change.
 
I'm shocked. An angry, entitled East pilot overwhelmed by emotion making stupid decisions? Never heard that before...so out of character. LOL!
 
If any American pilots read this, I apologize for the unacceptable behavior of one of our pilots. He is not representative of our pilot group, east or west.
 
Hpilot said:
If any American pilots read this, I apologize for the unacceptable behavior of one of our pilots. He is not representative of our pilot group, east or west.
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Well said Mike.

M
 
I predicted this a few months ago when the merger was announced, its only starting "AA V US Air East and West". Now the trolls will have something new to feast on and put the 'SWA V AT' to bed and deal with the AA V US Air issues instead.
 
Jumpseat should belong to the company not the Capt. I've had several old timers from American kick me off since being in the majors and each time was a bunch of BS. Situations like this and my experiences would be avoided if the company controlled the jumpseat.
 
No big deal. More press than it deserves. 14K plus pilots and both sides will have their nutjobs.

Rode US last December. Great ride, friendly folks. Was treated far better than by my own dysfunctional "family".

We need to hook up and share each others nutjob stories. I'm tired of listening to the same things over and over.

Need new material.
 
C-150ETOPS said:
No big deal. More press than it deserves. 14K plus pilots and both sides will have their nutjobs.

Rode US last December. Great ride, friendly folks. Was treated far better than by my own dysfunctional "family".

We need to hook up and share each others nutjob stories. I'm tired of listening to the same things over and over.

Need new material.
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True statement here. You can't judge any airline by a few nutjobs. It's kind of a shame that pilot's like that are not essentially weeded out. He has demonstrated behavior that should eliminate him from being in command of an airliner.
 
Why is this such a big deal? The problem is one specific individual, and not the bulk of the pilot group. What needs to happen, and should happen, is a very easy fix. Pull the Captain out of CASS. If he isn't going to allow the convenience of the J/S to others, then he shouldn't be able to benefit from it himself.

I've flown with multiple American jump seaters. All of whom have been classy and exhibited gentlemanly conduct. I've also noted the same from every Captain I've flown with, in regard to the jump seaters. Go on the offense against the individual for the decision, not the group.
 
Perhaps if folks felt the actions of those they put into leadership roles might jeopardize their Jumpseat they would hold those same so-called leaders more accountable.
 
instructordude said:
Jumpseat should belong to the company not the Capt. I've had several old timers from American kick me off since being in the majors and each time was a bunch of BS. Situations like this and my experiences would be avoided if the company controlled the jumpseat.
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Check common denominator.
 
JumpersAway said:
Why is this such a big deal? The problem is one specific individual, and not the bulk of the pilot group. What needs to happen, and should happen, is a very easy fix. Pull the Captain out of CASS. If he isn't going to allow the convenience of the J/S to others, then he shouldn't be able to benefit from it himself.
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Good post, and exactly the right fix. I'm quite sure everyone realizes this was the action of a rogue pilot an not indicative of the group.
 
freightdogfred said:
Good post, and exactly the right fix. I'm quite sure everyone realizes this was the action of a rogue pilot an not indicative of the group.
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Catch is he probably won't give a $hit.

Doing something that selfish and childish usually reflects one's personality. I guarantee that guy probably doesn't commute. If he did, I highly doubt he'd risk getting this name out there as "that guy" and risk getting denied jumpseats left and right.

Of course, he COULD just be that fvcking stupid. If he's acting like that, I wouldn't put it past him.
 
CapnVegetto said:
Catch is he probably won't give a $hit.

Doing something that selfish and childish usually reflects one's personality. I guarantee that guy probably doesn't commute. If he did, I highly doubt he'd risk getting this name out there as "that guy" and risk getting denied jumpseats left and right.

Of course, he COULD just be that fvcking stupid. If he's acting like that, I wouldn't put it past him.
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He may not care initially, when he is given the news of being pulled from CASS. However, I bet he will when he realizes that it is tied to Known Crew Member. Perhaps he can reflect amply on his actions as he stands in the security line.
 
instructordude said:
Jumpseat should belong to the company not the Capt. I've had several old timers from American kick me off since being in the majors and each time was a bunch of BS. Situations like this and my experiences would be avoided if the company controlled the jumpseat.
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your stupidity is beyond belief
 
"US Airways pilots are sensitive about seniority integration. In 2005, US Airways merged with America West. A 2007 seniority ruling by arbitrator George Nicolau led to a rift between the two pilot groups, commonly referred to as "the east" and "the west."
The underlying problem is that the ruling is unfair to nearly 1,000 east pilots. At its most contentious point, it places a 56-year-old pilot with 17 years at US Airways, never laid off, behind a 35-year-old America West pilot with a few months on the job. In many other cases, US Airways pilots with 15 or more years at the carrier went behind America West pilots with just a few years."

Tries to explain this to non industry types.... Pretty futile
 
sniper said:
redneck from the appalachians
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Wow that narrow it down! I saw him earlier!
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There used to be a guy on this forum who was proud of denying his JS to pilots of carriers that weren't unionized (JetBlue and Virgin). You guys remember Fubijakr? He was an Alaska guy, and we went round and round over it. He swore he was doing ALPA's secret bidding. I wonder whatever happened to him. What the hell's up with these guys?

Bubba
 
There should definitely be a union place in process to discipline such childish behavior.

There are only a few people I would not allow in my jumpseat:

1) Line-crossers (if I had a way to identify them)

and

2) PFT losers who turn around and think they are big union heroes, who have never walked a line and are just posing as real airline pilots. And wouldn't probably fit in the jumpseat anyway.
 
livin'thesim said:
There should definitely be a union place in process to discipline such childish behavior.

There are only a few people I would not allow in my jumpseat:

1) Line-crossers (if I had a way to identify them)

and

2) PFT losers who turn around and think they are big union heroes, who have never walked a line and are just posing as real airline pilots. And wouldn't probably fit in the jumpseat anyway.
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Dare we ask?

Bubba
 
Dornier 335 said:
When was the last time a west pilot denied the j/s to an east pilot?
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Would you like you answer in AM/PM or in 24hr Mil format? :D

P.S. The whole point to publicizing the denied jump seat stuff is to show folks how ridiculous it is, in order to unify pilots to do the right thing (i.e. We aren't supposed to be trying to divide each other while the leadership is unifying us. :) ).

Back to business as usual!
 
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SWA Bubba said:
There used to be a guy on this forum who was proud of denying his JS to pilots of carriers that weren't unionized (JetBlue and Virgin). You guys remember Fubijakr? He was an Alaska guy, and we went round and round over it. He swore he was doing ALPA's secret bidding. I wonder whatever happened to him. What the hell's up with these guys?

Bubba
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He was fired. Or given the opportunity to retire, which he did.
If you are denying jumpseats, chances are you are treating other employee
groups just as bad. It eventually will catch up with you. Call it Karma.
 
Fred said:
He was fired. Or given the opportunity to retire, which he did.
If you are denying jumpseats, chances are you are treating other employee
groups just as bad. It eventually will catch up with you. Call it Karma.
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Wow--interesting. I was wondering why that dumbass hadn't posted in a while. Is he the one that got "the opportunity to retire" from a trip he couldn't drop..so he calls in sick mid-trip and then jump seats to the wedding he wanted to attend? The irony and karma is delicious. He fvcks around with the j/s and then loses his job for j/sing when he shouldn't.
 
Latest intel is that he hang up on USAPA twice when they called him about it. Possible prior issues with USAPA.

[adding fuel to fire = ON]

(A possible disgruntled East/West alliance?)

[adding fuel to fire = OFF]
 

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