Single Representation at SWA/AirTran

[Mk3tm]

Let's see...ALPA fouled up the seniority integration, rejected SWA pay rates, rejected a fence for AT guys, rejected 850 captain seats, got embarrassed after a pathetic do-over attempt in the DRC arbitration, and now ALPA has decided it's time for SWAPA to take over.

Classic.

I agree, that's not exactly right.

To be more exact, ALPA leadership fouled up the seniority integration, rejected SWA pay rates on behalf of AT pilots, rejected a fence for AT guys on behalf of AT pilots, rejected captain seats for 850 AT captains on behalf of AT pilots, and rejected furlough protection on behalf of AT pilots, but ALPA leadership unanimously accepted a seniority integration deal with none of those features and virtually no improvement in seniority, then embarrassed itself with a pathetic do-over attempt in the DRC arbitration in which the arbitrator noted that all of the remedies sought had been available to ALPA but rejected by ALPA leadership without allowing AT pilots to vote on them, and now ALPA leadership has decided it's time for SWAPA to take over.

That's way more exactly right.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, let's all blame ALPA!!!

It isn't like SWAPA was trying to "capture" every Captain seat, or anything,

Or, that SWA management threatened to part us out.

It was just dat ol' debbil up in Herndon, and and his damn moustache catalog.

 

[Mk3tm]

Yes, ALPA is to blame. Exactly.

 

[PCL_128]

I pretty sure everything he said was factual. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it false. Sorry.

No, not even close to factual. Just uninformed speculation that happens to be completely false. Sorry.

 

[waveflyer]

Says one of the many people that ABSOLUTELY has to say and sell that.

Good luck pcl

 

[Mk3tm]

No, not even close to factual. Just uninformed speculation that happens to be completely false. Sorry.

Everything I wrote is precisely factual, fully informed, and non-speculative. The DRC arbitration ruling alone spells out a great deal of it. Perhaps you didn't read through that?

 

[Ty Webb]

Yes, ALPA is to blame. Exactly.

Oh, grow the f up. Seriously.

You're a little late to the party.

Maybe, if you learn to stand on your head really well, and pony up some bucks, Ringmaster Tommie will let you join the circus.


:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Everything I wrote is precisely factual, fully informed, and non-speculative. The DRC arbitration ruling alone spells out a great deal of it. Perhaps you didn't read through that?

Not only did I read it, but I agreed with his decision. That has nothing to do with your deranged ramblings about ALPA, though.

 

[Kenney G]

Yes, ALPA is to blame. Exactly.

Didn't AirTran pilots vote for the agreement? Did you vote no?

 

[Mk3tm]

Not only did I read it, but I agreed with his decision. That has nothing to do with your deranged ramblings about ALPA, though.

Ok, well, my comments reflect his decision. How, then, are my comments "deranged"?

 

[PCL_128]

Ok, well, my comments reflect his decision. How, then, are my comments "deranged"?

Because your comments do NOT reflect his decision. They misrepresent it.

 

[Mk3tm]

No, my comments accurately reflect his decision. As another member wrote, you may not like it but that's the way it is.

What exactly did you agree with in his decision, anyway? Obviously not all of it (assuming we're talking about the same arbitration).

 

[PCL_128]

I agreed with the arbitrator's decision. Our pilots voted for the SLI agreement, and the language didn't provide them the protections that they were trying to get in arbitration. It was that simple. But your nonsense about ALPA being at fault and such is not found anywhere in the arbitrator's decision, no matter how many times you claim it was.

 

[Mk3tm]

I agreed with the arbitrator's decision. Our pilots voted for the SLI agreement, and the language didn't provide them the protections that they were trying to get in arbitration. It was that simple. But your nonsense about ALPA being at fault and such is not found anywhere in the arbitrator's decision, no matter how many times you claim it was.

Sounds like you blame the pilots! Let's remember: The AT pilots voted on the only agreement they were allowed to vote on.

How about that language you mentioned? From the arbitrator:

The fact that the B717 Captain seats protection and Atlanta domicile protection were in the original SLI Agreement would, had that agreement come in to effect, have effectively preserved these particular protections on behalf of AirTran pilots.

Both ALPA and SWAPA accept that the AirTran MEC turned down the first SLI Agreement without even presenting the offer to its members for consideration.

...ALPA gambled wrong in the first SLI Agreement when it rejected the terms of the Agreement in the hope of extracting more favorable terms from the Company.

...the Arbitrator notes that in other merger-transition agreements similar to the one underlying this case, ALPA was able to include cast-iron guarantees regarding the number of aircraft and type of aircraft that would be retained in any newly, merged company.

The AT pilots voted on the only SLI agreement they were handed by their status reps, who had approved it unanimously.

Maybe the AT pilots would have been willing to consider an agreement with an ATL fence until 2020, preservation of 850 captain seats until 2020, and a pay raise of $5000/month, but ALPA denied them that opportunity.

 

[PCL_128]

Sounds like you blame the pilots!

Of course I blame the pilots. And the MEC, and the Merger Committee. But mostly the pilots. We had ironclad language guaranteeing us integration and guaranteeing us arbitration. To accept that sh!t sandwich deal (either the first or second one) was absolute lunacy. The arbitrator was right. We got exactly what we deserved.