Jumpseats

[BILL LUMBERG]

As a commuter, I usually end up on my airline to go to work but sometimes have to rely on others to get to and from. That being said, I appreciate any and all free rides I receive and always encourage those to reciprocate with us when able. It's the last bit of class left in this industry....being a good host to visitors.

It seems lately that all kinds of airlines make you jump through hoops to get that jumpseat ride. What gets me is how my airline (Throttle back SWA boys, this aint about my airline is better than yours) has it pretty simple for those who request our jumpseat and we have to almost provide blood samples of our second born and a vintage Honus Wagner card to get signed up for others. Where's a standard and why won't other Pilot groups try to cut the red tape?

Delta....ID at gate

Southwest....Call a number for listing and sometimes at gate.

Airtran.....fill out form, get at gate.

Jetblue....Sit on hold for 5-10 minutes, get an agent that MAY or MAY NOT really ticket you, you never know until you show up, then check in at "Just ask" desk, fill out form and get Cass approved maybe at the gate, maybe not....depends on the city.

American...ONLINE ONLY....what if your phone is dead or the reception is bad or it's last minute switch in cities as you run from one gate to another?

United.....paper form and ID filled out at gate.

UsAirways.......Paper form and ID filled out at gate.

Any others I may have missed, please list the procedures. My point of this is why all the hassles? I know, I know, Shut up, it's a free ride...but in today's world of Cass and Passport carrying, why all the mess to get a ride.

Thanks to all who grant the jumpseaters a ride....we appreciate it.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Spirit:

List up to 72 hours prior to departure via phone number (you may be on hold for a while) and the jumpseat is yours subject only to being bumped by a Spirit pilot. Our FA jumpseat is also open to offline pilots for both domestic and international travel (available only on A319s and A321s).

One hour or less prior to departure you must list at the gate.

In both cases, you must fill out a paper form and be checked in CASS by the gate agent. Many of our agents are new and/or third party vendors. Please be patient and do everything you can to speak to a crew member. We are very pro pilot and will do everything to make sure you get on.

Also, two of our A319s and ALL A320s only have 1 cockpit jumpseat.

 

[waveflyer]

I agree bill. And easy too- delta treats us great everytime I've used them- very grateful for those that do have easy processes
I've had some experiences lately that were less than professional. The employees were all very nice and trying- mgmt tied their hands with complicated processes-

The line I've heard so many times is that SWA treats other employees better than their own company. I hope that's still the case as we implement so many changes-

I share the inconsistency experience with listing on JetBlue- crews are great- but I've had one agent deny me before out of ft Myers aggressively saying that since I did not fly for JetBlue I couldn't get on(new guy) until a supervisor ran up, chastised him and ran me on as the door was closing
One problem I had this fall was flying from Ottawa to OHare on a united express/ Skywest -
There was no way to list legitimately without paying an outsourced Indian call center $25. The computers at the gate could only list for mainline flights, not Skywest.
That same trip had us trying to jumpseat within Canada on air Canada- which we have an agreement for - and the ONLY way to list was to be on hold for 93 average minutes- I gave up 71 minutes and made other plans

So let me ask those of you with complicated listing issues- and I understand it's not the pilots fault- but how is it a "RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT" if you can show up at our gate 10 minutes prior and if there's room get on and we'll treat you like family, when we get denied at the gate because we haven't spent $25 or an hour and a half on hold?

These are extreme examples- but even those who make it a little more complicated, like bill said- it is very frustrating and if our two really big majors can make it easy with a listing at the gate- why can't everybody? And are there people working on it at your carrier?

As we approach the holidays, I KNOW crewmembers are all trying to take care of each other, some against not so enlightened or talented management -
I'm grateful for every ride you all have provided and don't want this comment to overshadow that.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

See Wavey....

I unblocked you and you have redeemed yourself! =)

All you said is true. Especially the JB peeps.....once you get on the plane, the work is over, crews make up for it.

Kudos to the Spirit group also.

 

[waveflyer]

That's bc you're smart and deep down you know I'm right on the whole sellout thing!
;-)
Haha

Happy thanksgiving all
Grateful for health and family

 

[Flyer1015]

For Virgin America just show up to the gate to list. You can also try the check in counter if you want to but at the gate is good.

 

[Dornier 335]

Reminds me of a j/s question I'd been wanting to ask for a long time.

Why can you NOT j/s internationally as OAL on FedEx or UPS but on Atlas and Polar?

 

[LittleDeuce]

As a commuter, I usually end up on my airline to go to work but sometimes have to rely on others to get to and from. That being said, I appreciate any and all free rides I receive and always encourage those to reciprocate with us when able. It's the last bit of class left in this industry....being a good host to visitors.

It seems lately that all kinds of airlines make you jump through hoops to get that jumpseat ride. What gets me is how my airline (Throttle back SWA boys, this aint about my airline is better than yours) has it pretty simple for those who request our jumpseat and we have to almost provide blood samples of our second born and a vintage Honus Wagner card to get signed up for others. Where's a standard and why won't other Pilot groups try to cut the red tape?

Delta....ID at gate

Southwest....Call a number for listing and sometimes at gate.

Airtran.....fill out form, get at gate.

Jetblue....Sit on hold for 5-10 minutes, get an agent that MAY or MAY NOT really ticket you, you never know until you show up, then check in at "Just ask" desk, fill out form and get Cass approved maybe at the gate, maybe not....depends on the city.

American...ONLINE ONLY....what if your phone is dead or the reception is bad or it's last minute switch in cities as you run from one gate to another?

United.....paper form and ID filled out at gate.

UsAirways.......Paper form and ID filled out at gate.

Any others I may have missed, please list the procedures. My point of this is why all the hassles? I know, I know, Shut up, it's a free ride...but in today's world of Cass and Passport carrying, why all the mess to get a ride.

Thanks to all who grant the jumpseaters a ride....we appreciate it.

You've got to be kidding? You're asked to show an ID for CASS approval for a free ride on an airplane?

Get real...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You've got to be kidding? You're asked to show an ID for CASS approval for a free ride on an airplane?

Get real...

Thats the best scenario....unlike others Deuce.

Reality is there is no standard. So I'm keepin it real!

 

[northstar]

what's so bad/hard about jumpseating on SWA? Serious question. How long have you been on hold at SWA (phone)? TELL ME OF ONE INSTANCE where you got someone that was on the "subcontinent" and didn't know what jumpseat meant? NONE. They're all real SWA res employees.

You've been turned away while not being listed (when you simply present you delta id)?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

what's so bad/hard about jumpseating on SWA? Serious question. How long have you been on hold at SWA (phone)? TELL ME OF ONE INSTANCE where you got someone that was on the "subcontinent" and didn't know what jumpseat meant? NONE. They're all real SWA res employees.

You've been turned away while not being listed (when you simply present you delta id)?

Easy Warrior Spirit....

Hence why I wrote SOMETIMES its a phone call or other times at the gate.

Never had to wait...HAPPY? Jeeze

 

[400ADude]

Here's an idea. Don't be the retard who commutes then quibbles about it. Live in your domicile and live within your means and if you don't then leave your ******************** at home. Nobody wants to listen to it.

 

[scoreboardII]

There's the FI we all know and love!!

 

[tankerhead]

Here's an idea. Don't be the retard who commutes then quibbles about it. Live in your domicile and live within your means and if you don't then leave your ******************** at home. Nobody wants to listen to it.

You wearing your blues right now? NOBODY blathers that word outside of an academy, OTS, ROTC, or UPT classroom, you doosh.

 

[eagle06]

The free ALPA app has jumpseat procedures and numbers for pretty much every airline.

 

[dojetdriver]

Reminds me of a j/s question I'd been wanting to ask for a long time.

Why can you NOT j/s internationally as OAL on FedEx or UPS but on Atlas and Polar?

It used to be that there were certain TSA security directives involved that needed to be complied with. Due to the nature of the business that the ACMI carriers do, they go through the steps to comply with them.

FedEx and UPS management didnt choose to comply.

Now, since the TSA freed up their int'l ACTUAL JS occupation restriction a while ago, who knows if Fedex and UPS will as well.

So far, seems as if most if not all carriers (except the ACMI's) still have the policy that unless you work there you cant occupy the JS for int'l travel.

 

[waveflyer]

I'd love to have fedex - ups international back
That was the way to go

 

[canyonblue]

I remember when good 'ol Delto didn't allow jumpseaters.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I remember when good 'ol Delto didn't allow jumpseaters.

Almost as long ago as when Herb was doodling on a napkin in a bar.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Here's an idea. Don't be the retard who commutes then quibbles about it. Live in your domicile and live within your means and if you don't then leave your ******************** at home. Nobody wants to listen to it.

Classy Jackhole....

This is a forum. Put on your big girl pants and say something useful rather than tossing arrows.

What is your airlines policy? Or are you even a pilot?

 

[T-1GUY]

Here's an idea. Don't be the retard who commutes then quibbles about it. Live in your domicile and live within your means and if you don't then leave your ******************** at home. Nobody wants to listen to it.

I'm thinking you need to change your screen name to 400ADOOSH...

 

[tankerhead]

Classy Jackhole....

This is a forum. Put on your big girl pants and say something useful rather than tossing arrows.

What is your airlines policy? Or are you even a pilot?

You can't tell he got the canyon blue enema out in Texas after suckin off the gubmint teat in some backwater UPT base?

That guy screams summer's eve 24 freakin 7.

 

[Scoot 11]

Here's an idea. Don't be the retard who commutes then quibbles about it. Live in your domicile and live within your means and if you don't then leave your ******************** at home. Nobody wants to listen to it.

Looks like someone's tampon needs a changing......

 

[waveflyer]

Ahh, there's some of scoot's original

Never heard that line before scoot- you've got to tell us how you come up with that stuff

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On a serious note, bill had me blocked for Christ's sake, that's how much I've dug into him. But I didn't read his post as digging on SWA at all-
Just making a comment about airlines that make it hard
And many make non-revving almost impossible.

And I agree with him.

Again. How is it a RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT, when one airline can take you running to the gate with 10 minutes to departure unlisted and another won't .
There are some processes that are patently unfair

 

[canyonblue]

Almost as long ago as when Herb was doodling on a napkin in a bar.

Oh yeah I forgot, Delto started allowing offline jumpseaters in the '60's. Do you really not know of Delto's J/S history?

 

[tankerhead]

Here's a shout-out to Delta and a good jumseat/get home story: Delta got me home on the last flight out of ATL last week on an 830 pm departure that pushed back at 824 pm off an A gate. I wasn't even due to block IN until 835 pm on C concourse. The gate agent didn't even bat an eye when I ran up and she told me to go sit in first. Booya.

Thanks big D.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Oh yeah I forgot, Delto started allowing offline jumpseaters in the '60's. Do you really not know of Delto's J/S history?

Sorry man, up to speed on my airlines history but could give a deuce about you and your herb turds exact date of hatching.....point being, it was a while ago, almost as long as you Warriors have been around.

And it's spelled D-e-l-t-a.....with an A....cute attempts at humor though craphole blue.

 

[Ty Webb]

I have had to commute on Delta every week for the past few months. Every time, the crews have been great, and it has been much appreciated.

True story- last month, on the next-to-the-last flight of the night, I even had a Delta F/A offer to give up the jumpseat, so that a DAL Capt could sit on the F/A jumpseat and I could take the cockpit J/S

Of course, being the gentleman I am, I told her there was no way I could accept leaving her behind.

She had the Gate Agent list her as a non-rev, and got the last seat in the cabin, the DAL Capt sat in the "Mad Dog Tail Gunner" seat, and I sat up front. That was a generosity that will not be forgotten.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I remember when good 'ol Delto didn't allow jumpseaters.

Still don't, if you are a Regional Codeshare and haven't paid the DAL extortion fee for access, don't bother to try for the jumpseat if there are open seats in the back. Simple fact. DAL pilots are welcome to my jumpseat as long as there are no seats in the back, if there are seats in the back, they are welcome to buy an ID90 or a ticket, that's how my reciprocal jumpseat works. Only have to get left at the gate once while the plane pushes with 20+ empty seats! Its not personal, it's just how you treat us.

 

[slaquer5]

...point being, it was a while ago, almost as long as you Warriors have been around.

And it's spelled D-e-l-t-a.....with an A....cute attempts at humor though craphole blue.

I believe it was late 90s or early 2000 that Delta started giving JS to other airlines.

I am not sure what year SWA started