Hey look, Delta wants to add service to Dallas Love Field

[General Lee]

Delta Plans Expansion at Dallas Love Field
New flights to five destinations would expand competition at airport, add more options for North Texas travelers

PR Newswire Delta Air Lines 59 minutes ago

ATLANTA, Nov. 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (DAL) plans to add 18 daily nonstop flights to five destinations from Dallas Love Field in October 2014, boosting competition in the market and adding an array of new travel options for North Dallas.

Delta's planned expansion will enhance competition at the airport with new nonstop service to New York-LaGuardia, Los Angeles, Detroit, and Minneapolis-St. Paul. Delta also will add two daily flights to its existing Atlanta service.

Delta will require access to gates at Love Field in order to operate its expanded schedule. Delta has asked the U.S. Department of Justice to allow it to bid on Love Field gates as part of the divestiture of airport assets under a proposed settlement agreement with American Airlines and US Airways.

Currently at Love Field, 16 of the 20 gates and more than 95 percent of available seats are controlled by one airline, Southwest Airlines, which transports more passengers in the U.S. than any other carrier. Love Field has one of the highest concentrations of operations controlled by a single airline among the nation's large airports.

"Our new service at Dallas Love Field means more competition and options for North Texas travelers, and flights to our international hubs will provide convenient connections to international destinations in Asia, Europe, Latin America and Africa," said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's senior vice president ? Network Planning. "Dallas/Fort Worth is a top business market and critical to our strategy of connecting the world's leading cities for business and commerce."

The expanded Love Field service builds on Delta's recent growth at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, where it currently operates 45 peak-day flights to eight destinations. Last year, Delta added new nonstop service between DFW and New York-LaGuardia. It also operates nonstop flights from DFW to Atlanta, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Detroit, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Memphis and New York-JFK.

When the expansion is complete, Delta would operate a total of 68 daily flights in the Dallas/Fort Worth region, including flights at both DFW and Love Field.

Delta's expansion will be implemented following changes to the Wright Amendment, which previously restricted Love Field service to Texas, adjacent states and Missouri, Alabama, Kansas and Mississippi. Those restrictions are scheduled to end in October 2014.

Delta employs nearly 1,000 people in the Dallas/Fort Worth region in areas including reservations, customer care, airport operations and customer service.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[OState597]

Delta Plans Expansion at Dallas Love Field
New flights to five destinations would expand competition at airport, add more options for North Texas travelers

PR Newswire Delta Air Lines 59 minutes ago

ATLANTA, Nov. 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (DAL) plans to add 18 daily nonstop flights to five destinations from Dallas Love Field in October 2014, boosting competition in the market and adding an array of new travel options for North Dallas.

Delta's planned expansion will enhance competition at the airport with new nonstop service to New York-LaGuardia, Los Angeles, Detroit, and Minneapolis-St. Paul. Delta also will add two daily flights to its existing Atlanta service.

Delta will require access to gates at Love Field in order to operate its expanded schedule. Delta has asked the U.S. Department of Justice to allow it to bid on Love Field gates as part of the divestiture of airport assets under a proposed settlement agreement with American Airlines and US Airways.

Currently at Love Field, 16 of the 20 gates and more than 95 percent of available seats are controlled by one airline, Southwest Airlines, which transports more passengers in the U.S. than any other carrier. Love Field has one of the highest concentrations of operations controlled by a single airline among the nation's large airports.

"Our new service at Dallas Love Field means more competition and options for North Texas travelers, and flights to our international hubs will provide convenient connections to international destinations in Asia, Europe, Latin America and Africa," said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's senior vice president ? Network Planning. "Dallas/Fort Worth is a top business market and critical to our strategy of connecting the world's leading cities for business and commerce."

The expanded Love Field service builds on Delta's recent growth at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, where it currently operates 45 peak-day flights to eight destinations. Last year, Delta added new nonstop service between DFW and New York-LaGuardia. It also operates nonstop flights from DFW to Atlanta, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Detroit, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Memphis and New York-JFK.

When the expansion is complete, Delta would operate a total of 68 daily flights in the Dallas/Fort Worth region, including flights at both DFW and Love Field.

Delta's expansion will be implemented following changes to the Wright Amendment, which previously restricted Love Field service to Texas, adjacent states and Missouri, Alabama, Kansas and Mississippi. Those restrictions are scheduled to end in October 2014.

Delta employs nearly 1,000 people in the Dallas/Fort Worth region in areas including reservations, customer care, airport operations and customer service.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Get a life

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

He can sip coffee in DAL instead of Paris,

 

[General Lee]

Get a life

Wow, that was an awesome response, maybe Pulitzer Prize winning! You sure are smart! You were probably head of your class at Oswego State Community college. Congrats!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

He can sip coffee in DAL instead of Paris,

Nah, I'll skip Love Field and go for Paris (France that is). Thanks for caring.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Jim]

Then they can send Delta Express RJs to Lubbock!

 

[General Lee]

Then they can send Delta Express RJs to Lubbock!

Yay!!! The monopoly from Love Field to LBB will be over! Maybe Midland will be next! Fingers crossed! (SWA guys----just jokin!)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Then they can send Delta Express RJs to Lubbock!

True. And DL still wouldn't be able to make money on Lubbock. They tried it out of MEM and it was a money loser.

 

[General Lee]

True. And DL still wouldn't be able to make money on Lubbock. They tried it out of MEM and it was a money loser.

Yeah, but there were only FedEx jumpseaters onboard! LBB to DAL may be a better option!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

RJs been doing Love for 10-15 years for ma Delta , many outa the ATL. Probally be done with those super MRJs that Jenny Leigh is so fond of.

 

[nwaf16dude]

There will probably be some RJs involved, but at least some of it will be done with 717s

 

[Flybywire44]

Wow, that was an awesome response, maybe Pulitzer Prize winning! You sure are smart! You were probably head of your class at Oswego State Community college. Congrats!


Bye Bye---General Lee

General,

You have to keep in mind that you fuel your life by advertising an I'm better than you mentality.

This is somewhat low class.

 

[dicko]

There will probably be some RJs involved, but at least some of it will be done with 717s

Not having a go at you, but that's a pretty sad truth isn't it ?

Those mainline flights will be almost indistinguishable from the SWA product in coach. On the RJ, the difference increases to favor the SWA product. For a coach class passenger, the motivation to ride on the Legacy carrier should be the superior product. Unfortunately, I don't see it. The ironic exception is DAL's now superior on time performance.

 

[Flopgut]

Those mainline flights will be almost indistinguishable from the SWA product in coach. On the RJ, the difference increases to favor the SWA product. For a coach class passenger, the motivation to ride on the Legacy carrier should be the superior product. Unfortunately, I don't see it. The ironic exception is DAL's now superior on time performance.

The motivation to ride on a legacy is also the frequent flyer program. SWA's Rapid Rewards is pretty awful compared to what it was. The miles go a whole lot better places on the legacy, and they're now easier to get.

 

[Flopgut]

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...-may-prompt-bidding-battle-among-carriers.ece

Justice official William Baer, who headed DOJ?s lawsuit, made it clear Tuesday that the agency wants low-cost carriers to get the airport gates that American and US Airways must divest, as well as takeoff and landing slots that must be sold at LaGuardia and Washington Reagan National Airport.
?We see legacy carriers ? and our complaint issued in August makes this pretty clear ? as part of the problem. We see low-cost carriers as a key part of the solution,? Baer told reporters.
Asked if so-called ?legacy? carriers Delta and United should bother applying, Baer replied: ?That?s up to them. But the [settlement] papers make it pretty clear where we think these gates and slots need to go in order to improve on a competitive dynamic today, which is not as healthy as it could be.?

Not at all surprising to many of us legacy types, the DOJ wants to pick winners in this deal. The fact DLF gates are in the USAir American merger divestures at all is disgusting enough. Add to that the DOJ specifically calls legacies the "problem" and specifically speaks to taking the gates as retaliation is BS. Delta ought to have as much right to those as any other airline.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

It's ridiculous that in today's airline game, we still don't have a level playing field.

Those "evil" legacy carriers who continue to fly to all the no-money podunks out there for the people.

I would really like to see the special cities and fares once JB and SWA gets their silver platter handed to them.

 

[Freebrd]

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...-may-prompt-bidding-battle-among-carriers.ece

Add to that the DOJ specifically calls legacies the "problem" and specifically speaks to taking the gates as retaliation is BS. Delta ought to have as much right to those as any other airline.

Hmm deregulation, isn't that supposed to be the name of the game? Legacies are just as entitled as LLCs are.

 

[canyonblue]

It's ridiculous that in today's airline game, we still don't have a level playing field.
.

I agree! Look at Eastern and Pan Am, they ran out of money and were gone. Today you go to the legacy airline car wash known as bankruptcy and we have to compete with that bullish!t, unbelievable!!!:angryfire

 

[General Lee]

I agree! Look at Eastern and Pan Am, they ran out of money and were gone. Today you go to the legacy airline car wash known as bankruptcy and we have to compete with that bullish!t, unbelievable!!!:angryfire

Thankfully, it will be available if you guys have to go through it. Doesn't that make you feel better? It should....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

I agree! Look at Eastern and Pan Am, they ran out of money and were gone. Today you go to the legacy airline car wash known as bankruptcy and we have to compete with that bullish!t, unbelievable!!!:angryfire

BK is no fun, and I hope you never go thru it. None of us wanted to go thru it, *willingly*, In other words: it's not like you have to now compete with a bunch of pilots who sponsored their own training, worked for chronically low wages for decades, and flew airplanes for no pension, right?

Frankly, I have a problem with you even using the word "compete". You're not "competing" for anything. You're company is a war and terror profiteer simply waiting to take advantage of the next crisis, the next spoils, or the next Texas airport stunt. How about you use the word "exploit"? That's a bit more fitting for you.

 

[waveflyer]

It's ridiculous that in today's airline game, we still don't have a level playing field.

Those "evil" legacy carriers who continue to fly to all the no-money podunks out there for the people.

I would really like to see the special cities and fares once JB and SWA gets their silver platter handed to them.

You're not an authority on a "level playing field" Bill.
Not in the airline business and not in the career- you're just greedy and anything that doesn't go your favor is defined as unfair.

Get a life. Realize that delta reneged on $billions to get in the strong position they are in now- is that level??
And realize that your pilot group helped to create and continue to create an underclass of pilots that send their profits to subsidize your pay without any seniority -

Level field out of lumberg- you got a set making that claim sellout

 

[Cometman]

BK is no fun, and I hope you never go thru it. None of us wanted to go thru it, *willingly*, In other words: it's not like you have to now compete with a bunch of pilots who sponsored their own training, worked for chronically low wages for decades, and flew airplanes for no pension, right?

Frankly, I have a problem with you even using the word "compete". You're not "competing" for anything. You're company is a war and terror profiteer simply waiting to take advantage of the next crisis, the next spoils, or the next Texas airport stunt. How about you use the word "exploit"? That's a bit more fitting for you.

Do you really think the business world is suppose to be fair. Everybody is out to make money. You do what you have to do to succeed. Nobody said life is fair. Your lost is somebody else's gain. Life is like that. You drop the ball and somebody else picks it up and runs. That is the way it goes. You need to talk to somebody so you can get some help. You have some problems you need to attend too.

 

[redflyer65]

You're not an authority on a "level playing field" Bill.
Not in the airline business and not in the career- you're just greedy and anything that doesn't go your favor is defined as unfair.

Get a life. Realize that delta reneged on $billions to get in the strong position they are in now- is that level??
And realize that your pilot group helped to create and continue to create an underclass of pilots that send their profits to subsidize your pay without any seniority -

Level field out of lumberg- you got a set making that claim sellout

Bingo.

Bill is complaining about having to compete AFTER running through bankruptcy to shed billions in debt? Yea, that's a strong argument.

I know it wasn't Bill's or Flops decision, but to come on here and cry foul about slot auctions is laughable. How many slots does a combined CAL/UA, NW/DL, US/AA need? All of them?

And Bill,

The 'evil' legacy carriers for the most part aren't forced to fly to Podunk airports...I imagine they do because they charge an @ssload of money for fly out of those small towns (read captive audience), and then turn around and pay the delta CONNECTION workers jacksh!t. It's a good setup for Mother Delta and RA thanks to DALPA allowing it. Not such a good deal for the workers having to do the work.

 

[General Lee]

Bingo.

Bill is complaining about having to compete AFTER running through bankruptcy to shed billions in debt? Yea, that's a strong argument.

I know it wasn't Bill's or Flops decision, but to come on here and cry foul about slot auctions is laughable. How many slots does a combined CAL/UA, NW/DL, US/AA need? All of them?

And Bill,

The 'evil' legacy carriers for the most part aren't forced to fly to Podunk airports...I imagine they do because they charge an @ssload of money for fly out of those small towns (read captive audience), and then turn around and pay the delta CONNECTION workers jacksh!t. It's a good setup for Mother Delta and RA thanks to DALPA allowing it. Not such a good deal for the workers having to do the work.

Remember Red, SWA cut 17 former AT cities because they thought a 737 couldn't make money in those specific markets. You had the chance, but your company dumped them. The planes were too big.

Next you think Dalpa can set rates for Connection carriers? Can Dalpa also control what DL pays to caterers? How about Madison Ave types doing the ad campaigns? How much power do you think Dalpa has? I guess a lot. Does Swapa have the power to raise wages? Why didn't you have parity with the AT guys then? They fly the same type planes you do (737s), for a lot cheaper. Explain SWAPA's lack of power to change that from the date the joint contract was signed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You're not an authority on a "level playing field" Bill.
Not in the airline business and not in the career- you're just greedy and anything that doesn't go your favor is defined as unfair.

Get a life. Realize that delta reneged on $billions to get in the strong position they are in now- is that level??
And realize that your pilot group helped to create and continue to create an underclass of pilots that send their profits to subsidize your pay without any seniority -

Level field out of lumberg- you got a set making that claim sellout

Level the playing field Wave with the AT guys, flying the same planes you do, 737s. Well, at least the outgoing 717 guys won't have to pay for 737 types---but that cost may cause profits to tumble, right?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Remember Red, SWA cut 17 former AT cities because they thought a 737 couldn't make money in those specific markets. Thanks for making my point. We go where we can make money. Delta just outsources to a lower carrier then pays crap wages and gouges the passenger for higher fares. Get it?

You had the chance, but your company dumped them. The planes were too big. We go to Lubbock, Midland, and Amarillo to....and make money with larger planes. You can't even outsource those routes and make money. Big, big difference.

Next you think Dalpa can set rates for Connection carriers? Should have never been a 'Connection' carrier to worry about to begin with. Get it? So the rest of your comments are groundless. These comments >>>> Can Dalpa also control what DL pays to caterers? How about Madison Ave types doing the ad campaigns? How much power do you think Dalpa has? I guess a lot. Does Swapa have the power to raise wages? Yes we do. Why didn't you have parity with the AT guys then? Because that's the deal we both voted on. They fly the same type planes you do (737s), for a lot cheaper. Completely different company with completely different metrics. You've been told this time and time and time again. You have no argument here either. Explain SWAPA's lack of power to change that from the date the joint contract was signed. Because we don't administer or have anything to do with the ALPA contract. Again, that's what both parties voted on. Get it yet? Need me to explain it to you for the one hundredth time?



Bye Bye---General Lee

Some of the weakest arguments I've ever seen on FI. Just because you keep trying to make the same weak argument doesn't make it fact or even close to the truth. You need to come back to reality General.



PS- General, what does any of my comments on the previous post have anything to do with Southwest, AirTran or the way we operate our operation. Great attempt at trying to spin a thread into something we weren't even talking about. WOW.

The conversation was about slot controlled airports. Just to get back on track from the General's attempt at spin.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bingo.

Bill is complaining about having to compete AFTER running through bankruptcy to shed billions in debt? Yea, that's a strong argument.

I know it wasn't Bill's or Flops decision, but to come on here and cry foul about slot auctions is laughable. How many slots does a combined CAL/UA, NW/DL, US/AA need? All of them?

And Bill,

The 'evil' legacy carriers for the most part aren't forced to fly to Podunk airports...I imagine they do because they charge an @ssload of money for fly out of those small towns (read captive audience), and then turn around and pay the delta CONNECTION workers jacksh!t. It's a good setup for Mother Delta and RA thanks to DALPA allowing it. Not such a good deal for the workers having to do the work.

Fair enough Red,

Let's give those slots only to Frontier and Spirit....they are really ULTRA low cost carriers. You guys are like the old news now....

Are you going to cry foul now?

As usual Southwest, let's everybody set the party up, cook, decorate, buy the beer, then shows up the day of like "hey, I'm starving, whatcha got for me!"

Southwest wasn't built on Warrior Spirit, it was built by government handouts and stupid flag ties made in China.

 

[General Lee]

Some of the weakest arguments I've ever seen on FI. Just because you keep trying to make the same weak argument doesn't make it fact or even close to the truth. You need to come back to reality General.



PS- General, what does any of my comments on the previous post have anything to do with Southwest, AirTran or the way we operate our operation. Great attempt at trying to spin a thread into something we weren't even talking about. WOW.

The conversation was about slot controlled airports. Just to get back on track from the General's attempt at spin.

Some of the weakest arguments ever..... Haha Red. The AT guys happily voted yes, huh? Riiiiiiiiight. Look at the loyalty problems you will have forever. Your management took sides during a merger. Bad idea! But, you know that.


Yes, you brought up the lower paid DCI pilots, just like your lower paid AT pilots, which should have NEVER happened. I can't believe, again, that you can't see the similarities. Oh well, I agree with you on one thing, your arguments are incredibly weak.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

General,

The votes are over and done with. The purchase was announced in 2010, over three years ago.

Meanwhile, your codeshare and outsourcing goes on into eternity. AirTran will be completely merged in about a year. Again, you have no valid argument.

Bill,

I'm all for fair divesture of the slots. If Spirit gets them, fine. If Virgin gets them, fine. Etc. I'm not even close to crying foul, but it seems like you are. Do I have that wrong?

 

[canyonblue]

As usual Southwest, let's everybody set the party up, cook, decorate, buy the beer, then shows up the day of like "hey, I'm starving, whatcha got for me!"

Southwest wasn't built on Warrior Spirit, it was built by government handouts and stupid flag ties made in China.

And as usual Delta, takes the money from everybody to set the party up, cook, decorate, buy the beer, then shows up the day of the party like "hey, I'm out of the cash I borrowed and I can't pay you back, so too bad for you"