SWA WATRS routes?

[Clyde Frog]

I've been hearing some rumors that they lost their authorization to fly the WATRS routes. Something about mx record keeping and FA training? According to flightaware, both BWI-SJU flights today hugged the coast. Hmm...

 

[madjack]

Not what the company is putting out.... Class II will happen weekly on Saturdays...(to maintain the authorization, I believe Chk Pilot only as CP on these routes), 800's being used in CONUS...pls correct anyone, but that is my understanding...

 

[Chest Rockwell]

800 are the only aircraft with HF/SATCOM/Rafts. Better yield on transcons. There were some FA training issues, but not a player.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

800s are the only aircraft with HF/SATCOM/Rafts. Better yield on transcons. There were some FA training issues, but not a player.

 

[redflyer65]

Approval has been complete. Exactly what Rockwell says. Much higher yields for the 800s on transcon flights. Using the 700s adds about 20 minutes on a non-WATRS route.

 

[Flying the Line]

What others have said, during shoulder season using only 700s on the route so no waters in them.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I've been hearing some rumors that they lost their authorization to fly the WATRS routes. Something about mx record keeping and FA training? According to flightaware, both BWI-SJU flights today hugged the coast. Hmm...

Actually, Frog, you're right. SWAPA had it done, specifically to "further screw the AirTran pilots." That's how we roll.

Bubba

 

[canyonblue]

Not what the company is putting out.... Class II will happen weekly on Saturdays...(to maintain the authorization, I believe Chk Pilot only as CP on these routes), 800's being used in CONUS...pls correct anyone, but that is my understanding...

You are correct. Direct from sources, -800's making boatloads of money in the CONUS so they decided to use them there. Supposedly we are going to have a killer 3rd Quarter!

 

[redflyer65]

Actually, Frog, you're right. SWAPA had it done, specifically to "further screw the AirTran pilots." That's how we roll.

Bubba

The whole thing was mostly flamebait from Frog.

He's already stated on here that he will be resentful for life. Sounds wonderful.

 

[Clyde Frog]

The whole thing was mostly flamebait from Frog.

He's already stated on here that he will be resentful for life. Sounds wonderful.

Life? No

Remainder of employment. Likely.

 

[maxblast72]

You are correct. Direct from sources, -800's making boatloads of money in the CONUS so they decided to use them there. Supposedly we are going to have a killer 3rd Quarter!

You are right about Q3 2013. LUV's Q3 2012 net profit was approximately $100 million. Wall Street is currently estimating a $205 million net profit for Q3 2013. Looks like the revenue synergies from connecting the networks are finally kicking in. We will find out the actual numbers in a few weeks.

 

[waveflyer]

Life? No

Remainder of employment. Likely.

If you had any perspective to know what resentment does to a person, you'd get over it or leave. I'll never stay here as if I'm trapped. Won't do it. I can make money doing a dozen things where I know I'll be happy. Life is way too short for anything less.

 

[Purple Hayes]

If you had any perspective to know what resentment does to a person, you'd get over it or leave. I'll never stay here as if I'm trapped. Won't do it. I can make money doing a dozen things where I know I'll be happy. Life is way too short for anything less.

True. Now days so many of us feel like We have a certain entitlement. Most people are extremely selfish and self centered. There is no greater thing than being a help or of service to your fellow man. You can at least leave this earth with some sort of feeling that you tried to make it a better place for others. This can be done with little effort. Just be kind say hello to people. You may be surprised at the difference it can make in there lives. Be thankful for what you have. Health family etc. Once you actually do that this other BS becomes so much less important.
Cheers and hugs for all.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Now days so many of us feel like We have a certain entitlement. Most people are extremely selfish and self centered.

I agree. These SW pilots are somethin' else.

 

[Flynfish]

So true. Nobody said life has to be fair. As an AirTran captain, my life will change in the near future, but I plan on making the best of it and being the absolute best Southwest pilot I can be. Adapt and adjust, enjoy life!

 

[THEPRFCT10]

So true. Nobody said life has to be fair. As an AirTran captain, my life will change in the near future, but I plan on making the best of it and being the absolute best Southwest pilot I can be. Adapt and adjust, enjoy life!

Welcome. I wish more had your attitude. Great to hear! You're gonna love it here.

 

[Clyde Frog]

"kneel before zod"

 

[Capn Butthead]

I did the last class II flight with a BWI check airman. Revenue management put the 800s on more lucrative routes (even though SJU is always full) with out consulting flight ops or Crew Scheduling. It was an accountant making a stupid decision IMO...to prove it in the lines for October their were numerous BWI SJU turns...class II makes it legal..but when revenue management stole the airplanes the turns are now illegal...so there will be some good high paying turns in open time! Morons'

 

[gobyebye]

I did the last class II flight with a BWI check airman. Revenue management put the 800s on more lucrative routes (even though SJU is always full) with out consulting flight ops or Crew Scheduling. It was an accountant making a stupid decision IMO...to prove it in the lines for October their were numerous BWI SJU turns...class II makes it legal..but when revenue management stole the airplanes the turns are now illegal...so there will be some good high paying turns in open time! Morons'

Something just doesn't jive with this story that I've heard as well. If this is all it was, then just put the planes back on the SJU route, that simple. I think there is something more to this story.

 

[StopNTSing]

Something just doesn't jive with this story that I've heard as well. If this is all it was, then just put the planes back on the SJU route, that simple. I think there is something more to this story.

Hey, what's that over there by the grassy knoll...

 

[Ty Webb]

Financially, it looks like it makes sense, if they can pull in extra RSM.

Let's say that the Pilots are deadheading, F/A's are able to operate both legs.

Here's an estimate of the extra costs-

Crew cost differential- at least $2500. per R/T in deadheading crew pay

Aircraft Operating cost- the non-WATRS routing means an extra 40 minutes in operating costs for each R/T (about $3,000.).

Crew seats in cabin - when flights are full, you are going to have to reserve two seats for the deadheads. This cost is hard to calculate without knowing the load factors.

There would, however, be some savings in Landing Fees and fuel burn when using the -700's, so let's say these items cancel each other out.

If the above is correct, it looks like each of those -800's would have to pull in approximately another $5,500. per day to justify pulling them off the routes and subbing -700's.

That would only require $10. to $20. in incremental revenue per seat on a few flights each day; everything after that would be profit. . . . . Although, why not have AirTran doing these flights with our 700's, which are equipped for WATRS? Save all of the above, and probably more.

 

[Capn Butthead]

I don't think it is any problem with the way Class II was going. I think it's an issue that our management is a bunch of accountants who are completely out of touch with everything and showing their blatant incompetence...just my opinion...

 

[humveedriver]

I think I get what gobyebye is saying. Why does a marketing decision have to be made into a bulletin? The bulletin says class II operations are suspended except for one day. Why don't they just route the aircraft anyway they see fit? This doesn't sound like a simple aircraft swap. It sounds like I couldn't fly SJU-BWI (watrs) if I wanted too. FAA probably just tripped out over FA training or some kind of Opsec compliance issue.

 

[scoreboardII]

I think you are right, my read is someone forgot to get all the FA's trained in time, or cant manage to connect those trained with the lines they need to be on, therefore, round peg, square hole, no WATRS flights. That and we don't have enough 800's because we sold off those options.

 

[vixin]

One of the problems was the AAI FA's not being trained at SWA for WATRS. Someone thought it was ok that they just had it previously at AAI and figured they were good to go. FAA said nope they must be SWA trained.

 

[maxblast72]

I think it's an issue that our management is a bunch of accountants who are completely out of touch with everything and showing their blatant incompetence...just my opinion...

Southwest just announced that September 2013 unit revenue was up 7-8% Over September 2012 while Delta reported RASM up 5.5% and United's RASM was flattish YOY. Sounds like the accountants did a good job of figuring out where to deploy the aircraft in September.

 

[Ty Webb]

Southwest just announced that September 2013 unit revenue was up 7-8% Over September 2012 while Delta reported RASM up 5.5% and United's RASM was flattish YOY. Sounds like the accountants did a good job of figuring out where to deploy the aircraft in September.

I'm sure they appreciate your support. Hell, with you on their side, how could anyone go wrong?


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[madjack]

That is great news for everybody concerned!

 

[Capn Butthead]

I'm happy that we are profitable and successful...I truly am! But, so is every other airline out there. We have accountants running every airline out there. But, this is not the same southwest that we all signed up for. We are all just numbers now. Look at our operation and how it's ran. It's all about numbers. We don't have enough ground staff. We started running APUs now because ground ops doesn't think it's important to run gate services...so they caved and now we just run the apu...I've been doing that for 2 years now. I hope it's just a bump in the road...but look at the way we are now...kind of scary

 

[northstar]

Something just doesn't jive with this story that I've heard as well. If this is all it was, then just put the planes back on the SJU route, that simple. I think there is something more to this story.

considering you're serious, how exactly would you do that, genius?

do you realize that schedules (you know, the thingy that customers look at/book months and months in advance) need to be... ummm... what's the word.... PUBLISHED?

so now that the -800s are sold to capacity... how exactly do you "just put the planes back"? What do you do with the 37/32 extra pax if you just downgrade the airplane and "put the planes back"?

There's NOT more to this story. The -800 fares yield MUCH higher in other markets. Yes, even in the winter when everyone is going to SJU (shocker, right?).

Just fly the plane dude.