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Is there a video for an Emirates pilot in regards to the same thing United does with a 777 from Doha to Dubai?
 
Interesting he admits the international passengers subsidizes the domestic passenger...

While I think this is a nice effort:

http://www.alpa.org/publications/ALPA_White_Paper_Leveling_the_Playing_Field_June_2013/#?page=20

It fails the test in a free market economy. Now the pilots want airlines to be reregulated? Not happening. Take Skybus as an example. EVERY industry has their Skybus to contend with, airlines should be no different.

I will admit careful review of what we are competing against internationally is required, how "state sponsored" is state sponsored? How safe are they? Let the courts determine the fair level of governmental input. If Delta thinks Emirites is stealing from them by undercutting prices, take them to court, make your case.

More laws won't solve this problem.
 
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Maybe Delta and the other US airlines need to step up their product to compete with EK! There is no comparison! Fire the old hags, refurb the ragged planes with a leading product and this would help minimize any risk.
 
One minute he's saying he wants a fair and level playing field and the next that he wants other airlines to be at a competitive disadvantage?
 
So DAL and UCAL will stop selling tickets out of Japan then right? Fair skies is fair skies, right? How about FedEx and UPS? They are also not operating any US registered A/C's from bases in China and the EU....! Or fair is only fair as long as only one side gets to do it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about a healthy US airline industry. But I think that all this bitching about EK doing what they have been doing for decades now, is a bit hypocrite
 
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If Delta was smart they would join forces with EK on a similar deal like Qantas.

Instead they whine about it like a bunch of little girls.

There is no way Delta can compete on the JFK-MXP sector. I also noticed on expedia.com, The tickets on EK are about $100 cheaper already than Delta.
 
Dumb Pilot said:
So DAL and UCAL will stop selling tickets out of Japan then right? Fair skies is fair skies, right? How about FedEx and UPS? They are also not operating any US registered A/C's from bases in China and the EU....! Or fair is only fair as long as only one side gets to do it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about a healthy US airline industry. But I think that all this bitching about EK doing what they have been doing for decades now, is a bit hypocrite
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Remember that NWA was asked by the Japanese Govt to help start up flying out of Haneda after WWII. Then in 1976, they were asked by the Japanese Govt to move to Narita. Can they (now DL) have their Haneda slots and gates back? Huh? Their Govt seems to be aiding ANA and JAL, after NWA helped them many years ago, and moved to Narita too. (Along with LCCs getting slots at NRT, decreasing value of the slots as ANA and JAL get more at HND. The LCCs include Air Asia Japan, Jetstar Japan, and Skymark). Sounds like Govts can do whatever they want, even if it ain't fair. I guess you didn't learn that upon starting work in Japan....


Here is a snippet from Wikipedia just for you:

"In spring of 1947 Northwest began stationing employees at Haneda Airport in Tokyo, flying them from the United States via Alaska on its Great Circle route. On July 15, 1947 Northwest became the first airline to begin direct service between the United States and Japan,[10] using a Douglas DC-4 airliner."


"For years Northwest was the largest foreign airline serving Japan. In 1951 Northwest became involved with the founding of Japan Air Lines (JAL) by leasing airliners and crewmembers to the new airline. In 1952 United States and Japan ratified a regional bilateral aviation treaty, under which Northwest and Pan American World Airways became the two U.S. airlines allowed to fly to Tokyo. These carriers also received fifth freedom rights to carry passengers from and via Tokyo to other Asian destinations such as Seoul, Busan, Taipei, Manila, Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore. Northwest also flew passenger routes that connected Japan with Guam and Saipan, U.S. possessions in Micronesia."



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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8sugarsugar said:
If Delta was smart they would join forces with EK on a similar deal like Qantas.

Instead they whine about it like a bunch of little girls.

There is no way Delta can compete on the JFK-MXP sector. I also noticed on expedia.com, The tickets on EK are about $100 cheaper already than Delta.
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Nah, DL doesn't need a ME hub. DL is primarily affected by EK with connections to India and Pakistan via the JV with AF and KL. The new MXP to JFK flight may take some passengers, but passengers who want to connect to other cities beyond JFK will do so on DL. (Trying to connect from EK to JB in JFK sounds like it could be a big hassle) The reason your prices are cheaper is because desperation has probably set in, and most US passengers want to fly on a recognizable US airline. Hey, when does your Birmingham to BOS flight start? I'm guessing it will end 2 months later. Good luck with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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So shut down the Guangzhou & EU bases of FDX & UPS or let EK operate these flights. Stop Delta operating Tokyo - Asia flights.

It's exactly the same...that's why no one takes it too seriously, if you shout and scream about fairness then engage in the same activity --- you have no credibility.

fv
 
If anything, ALPA is the best advertiser of Emirates. So thank you 26 year Delta Captain, for recognizing that Emirates is a far better product.
 
I'm just wondering when EK will start to use the HND-LAX slot that it has. Last time I was in HND we parked next to a old ragged out 767 with brand new winglets. It looked like one of those hoopty cars where the rims are worth more than the vehicle itself.
 
Wonder how the Jetblue pilots feel about DAL pilot attacking their model.

jB feeds EK & EK feeds JB...good for JB jobs

fv
 
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I'm just wondering when EK will start to use the HND-LAX slot that it has. Last time I was in HND we parked next to a old ragged out 767 with brand new winglets. It looked like one of those hoopty cars where the rims are worth more than the vehicle itself.
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So the DXB flight from HND is a bust? Doubt you will get an extra one, and I doubt the Japanese Govt would approve, since JAL doesn't even fly nonstop to LAX yet from HND.....

You sound bitter. That "ragged" 767 crew actually gets to go "home" while you go back to the Sandpit in your 777. No wonder. Even TP said he'd prefer starting over at DL than continue to stay at your airline. That should say something right there.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
A long line of great Greek philosophers:

Plato, Aristotle, Atsalis.
 
The misinformation never stops with you general. I think TP said he is leaving for a promotion at an undisclosed carrier and he would recommend EK to any american looking for rapid career advancement. DXB-HND is not a bust. It's quite full. It's a fun trip as well. There is a huge amount of traffic between Sao Paulo and Japan.

Wonder why that 26 year captain seems so worried? If I was him I would be more worried about getting a good deal on some veneers but he seems pretty concerned with EK. Obviously he hasn't flown with you or he would know that EK doesn't pose any sort of competitive threat.
 
fareview said:
Wonder how the Jetblue pilots feel about DAL pilot attacking their model.

jB feeds EK & EK feeds JB...good for JB jobs

fv
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Don't forget about the ALPA boys at Alaska. What about their deal with EK? Last time I checked, Emirates feeds over 140,000 seats to their 737's a year.
 
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So the DXB flight from HND is a bust? Doubt you will get an extra one, and I doubt the Japanese Govt would approve, since JAL doesn't even fly nonstop to LAX yet from HND.....

You sound bitter. That "ragged" 767 crew actually gets to go "home" while you go back to the Sandpit in your 777. No wonder. Even TP said he'd prefer starting over at DL than continue to stay at your airline. That should say something right there.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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You have been proven wrong multiple times in the past.

O credibility.
 
As a Delta pilot(NWA) I find GL obnoxious and embarrassing. With that off my chest, I have a few questions for the EK pilots. Just curious how many US pilots are there, what your backgrounds were and why you went. I only know of about 3-4 who have gone. One being a 50 ish wide body capt that took early retirement and went to double dip during our ch11. The other a fairly junior S/O that thought he maybe getting furloughed and finally a couple of friends of friends from regionals that were unable to get hired at any US major for various reasons and had major chips on their shoulders about that. Reading these threads it seems a lot of the pilots that post on here come from the disgruntled regional pilot( that never got hired here) and had no other choice but to take a chance in the Middle East and are just tickled to death of the US airline industry cratering because it would give them some perceived revenge. Bwtfdik, I might just be as delusional as GL:)
 
What Cobraair said. Sour grapes. Rooting for the demise of what they could never attain -- a decent job stateside.
 
There are more than 200 americans at EK. All types and backgrounds. Ex regional guys and I've met or flown with pilots from UAL, NWA, DAL, AWA, USAirways, Alaska, and AA. Plus quite a few charter/cargo outfits. It's really hard to generalize the group of 200.

I don't think anyone at EK is wishing ill will on the US industry. If you look at posts from EK pilots you will see them responding to the provocative and factually incorrect posts from General Lee. It's hard not to respond to constant doochebag comments.

That said it's a tough call for furloughed guys whether or not to go back. If you are making 150k in the right seat tax free or 200+ in the left mostly tax free it is a big lifestyle adjustment to go home and be poor on reserve. Not to mention all the other little perks. For an ex regional pilot who upgraded it's an even tougher decision to go back and start at the very bottom of 10,000 knowing that you won't see that kind of money or route structure for another 15-20 years.

But I've never flown with any American at EK that is wishing ill will on the US Industry. It's ridiculous to even suggest that. I think we all wish things were going much better so the decision to go home wouldn't be a hard one. No pilot moved to EK because they always wanted to live in Dubai. It's a pros and cons thing.
 
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