For all USAPA pilots

[pave driver]

Time to all write your reps to implement the NIC and move to negotiate a new contract only CONTINGENT upon the possibility of no merger (I believe will still go through). Enough of this BS contract already and stalling. There are surely enough of us that want to move on to make this happen.

 

[Ocity]

The inmates run the asylum. You won't see a dime.

 

[pave driver]

The inmates run the asylum. You won't see a dime.

If the majority want this to happen, the inmates can't ignore us.

 

[Ocity]

If the majority want this to happen, the inmates can't ignore us.

Care to wager on that? They're nuts. They'd much rather get paid half of industry standard then admit they fked up their own careers by birthing a fake union to be used as a weapon against the minority.

 

[Carl S.]

I hear LOA 93 is not that bad....

 

[becket]

I hear LOA 93 is not that bad....

Let me guess, Someone from CLT told you that?

 

[711-24-7]

I hear LOA 93 is not that bad....

How about now?


Current 2nd year E9 FO is around $45.

MOU 2nd year E9 FO in 2014 is $57/hr, 3rd year MOU E9 FO is $70/hr
Us Air MOU rates


Current LOA93 73/AB FO Rates:
$25.00 (Year 1 now $3,000/month)
$57.00 (Year 2)
$62.00
$73.00
$75.00
$77.00
$79.00
$81.00
$82.00
$83.00
$84.00
$85.00 (year 12)

 

[becket]

How about now?


Current 2nd year E9 FO is around $45.

MOU 2nd year E9 FO in 2014 is $57/hr, 3rd year MOU E9 FO is $70/hr
Us Air MOU rates


Current LOA93 73/AB FO Rates:
$25.00 (Year 1 now $3,000/month)
$57.00 (Year 2)
$62.00
$73.00
$75.00
$77.00
$79.00
$81.00
$82.00
$83.00
$84.00
$85.00 (year 12)

Sure, they make about $50-75 bucks AN HOUR LESS than the other Legacy carriers but hey, the illegal DOH Jihad/attempted cram down is totally worth it....even though it will NEVER happen.

 

[becket]

Maybe it's time to pull the plug and go to a carrier that isn't quite so dysfunctionaly insane. I'm sure a lot of guys would leave if they could.

 

[711-24-7]

This needs to stop, and we all need to move on and look fwd, without it we ALL fail!

 

[jc3]

Every new hire at US Airways wishes these guys would sit down and work it out, but it's never gonna happen.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Every new hire at US Airways wishes these guys would sit down and work it out, but it's never gonna happen.

What can we do to get this done? There are more and more of us every day who don't care which way the list goes as long as we get a new contract.

I get it. The east guys don't want someone hired 10 or more years after them senior to them and the west guys don't want to give up the nic but even if it would cost you an upgrade you could still make more as a senior fo at the mou rates than you can as a reserve captain under loa93 and then also have a great schedule. I just want to get this done.

 

[eaglesview]

Every new hire at US Airways wishes these guys would sit down and work it out, but it's never gonna happen.

Not if it would stay separate they don't.

 

[LearLove]

Time to all write your reps to implement the NIC .

Yeah, I'll get right on that.

 

[Flyer1015]

How about now?


Current 2nd year E9 FO is around $45.

MOU 2nd year E9 FO in 2014 is $57/hr, 3rd year MOU E9 FO is $70/hr
Us Air MOU rates


Current LOA93 73/AB FO Rates:
$25.00 (Year 1 now $3,000/month)
$57.00 (Year 2)
$62.00
$73.00
$75.00
$77.00
$79.00
$81.00
$82.00
$83.00
$84.00
$85.00 (year 12)

This has to be a joke. I suppose that's what one gets when they agree to binding arbitration and then not abide by it and throw their union out.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Aren't you glad you called the Westies the "Sand People?" How idiotic, and your lower pay will continue. Oh well....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

Start a representation drive. Without that the west and east will no more mix than oil and meth.

 

[HowardBorden]

Start a representation drive. Without that the west and east will no more mix than oil and meth.

This is so true. If there really is a silent majority that just wants to move on then throw out USAPA and start fresh with a new union.

 

[dollacrackho]

Yeah but upgrade time will be really quick and then we'll make 10 dollars more an hour than they do at regionals. Gotta laugh to keep from crying.

 

[waveflyer]

This has to be a joke. I suppose that's what one gets when they agree to binding arbitration and then not abide by it and throw their union out.

It's not a joke- it's an anchor on the whole industry

 

[Carl S.]

USAPA XMAS party is back on!!! If East pilots want change, grow a pair and speak up, you let USAPA into power, you can take them out...

 

[Turtle21]

Maybe it's time to pull the plug and go to a carrier that isn't quite so dysfunctionaly insane. I'm sure a lot of guys would leave if they could.

We will miss ya. Promise. Please keep in touch. Buh bye.

 

[cactusboy53]

Start a representation drive. Without that the west and east will no more mix than oil and meth.

Nice try, but Cortney Borman got almost the required 50% to be VC of CLT. Runoff election now in progress.

These guys are hard over on evading the Nicolau Seniority list at ANY and ALL costs. They don't know what they want, they just know that they don't want the "Nic".

A330 Captain retiring this month will have lost close to 3/4 of a Million dollars, had they accepted the list and finished negotiations. What a shame.

 

[Superbird]

Fools leading fools. "LOA93 til the last day!" Isn't that the battle cry in NC?

 

[waveflyer]

Not exactly the same merits as "full pay til the last day" is it?

 

[Saabslime]

Being on the west I'm not all that upset about this deal getting blocked for now. Pay aside, we were going to lose a lot of good things in our contract with this MOU (STD, LTD, medical, duty rigs, better reserve system, profit sharing,etc). It all adds up. I'm sure the merger will eventually happen but we've just been given an extension to operate under what I feel is a better contract for a little while longer.

For those who haven't taken the time to see just how much paying more for medical, getting a lower guarantee, and how the new work rules eat into soft time and that $/hr figure you've been salivating over, crunch the numbers........we don't have it as bad as it would appear on the surface (west contract). For the east on LOA 93, enjoy sleeping in the bed you've made.

Don't get me wrong. A raise is a raise. Just trying to stay positive here.

 

[pave driver]

Judge Silver just ordered the Addington DFR trial to proceed September 24th as she was convinced the DOJ antitrust trial and merger will be completed by the end of the year.

Merger/no merger (I believe it will go through) this will come to an end soon so we can all move on and negotiate a new contract. Enough of this East/West stuff. There are now a majority that can move this on.

 

[Dornier 335]

Enough of this East/West stuff.

That would leave General Lee with (more) no life (shock, horror!).

 

[General Lee]

That would leave General Lee with (more) no life (shock, horror!).

Interestingly, EVERY other pilot out there besides Easties and some complete idiot "third listers" agree, when the Westies get the NIC award, things hopefully will get better, and most Easties will just retire away. I can't wait for that to happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pave driver]

Interestingly, EVERY other pilot out there besides Easties and some complete idiot "third listers" agree, when the Westies get the NIC award, things hopefully will get better, and most Easties will just retire away. I can't wait for that to happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'd guestimate over 90% 3rd thisters want to move on. The upper 500 east don't care, over 50% other east pilots want to move on and over 90% west want to move on.