End of an Era

[27 driver]

The Airtran pilots internal bitch board is officially closed. For many its just another step in the demise of the little "A". Very sad.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

15 guys who thought everybody else was an idiot and constantly trying to prove how it was not them who screwed up the whole process by turning every thread into a he said she said. And then some threads about guns. Good riddance. Should have shut it down two years ago.

 

[maxblast72]

Should have shut it down two years ago.

Umm, it was shut down two years ago. The MEC shut it down for a few days as they were looking for a way to tank SIA #1.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Umm, it was shut down two years ago. The MEC shut it down for a few days as they were looking for a way to tank SIA #1.

So, numbers guy, why did they shut it down this time? Was it to protect your dfr suit?

BTW, it's been shut down several times since it's inception. Funny, the last two times have specifically centered around conversations you have been involved in. Coincidence? I don't think so. Please keep posting though, people have much larger binders than yours.

 

[ATLplt]

I'll miss the gun threads. Often lots of useful info there.

Seriously though, besides the usual back and forth about the SLI, there were always good tidbits about gotcha's from the company, hotel problems, and other various info that was often important. There's still over 1000 pilots over here with no outlet to air internal problems and what to watch for's. FI or APC aren't the appropriate outlets for those issues

 

[Secret Squirrel]

See, it could have started out as a thread about the maggots in the restaurant in terminal B and it would devolve into a merger fight. Should have stayed shut down two years ago.

There is always the alternate AAI forum site that was around during the shut down two years ago. That place I am sure is a hoot now.

 

[PCL_128]

There is always the alternate AAI forum site that was around during the shut down two years ago.

I think he shut that down a while ago.

This is a good step, though. The "numbers guy" was just using the forum to spread his lawsuit propaganda and to try to convince everyone (unsuccessfully) that he wasn't to blame for our screwjob and that AIP1 was a panacea. It was nothing but a vat of misinformation. Good riddance.

 

[27 driver]

It's not the shutting down of the forum that bothers me, but just another step in the demise of the little "A". For the most part the forum was useless but from time to time there was good info and maybe a laugh or two.

 

[PCL_128]

It's not the shutting down of the forum that bothers me, but just another step in the demise of the little "A".

I'm with you there. It is sad to see the airline slowing disappearing. The airplane being painted over in the crew lounge hallway and replaced with Southwest propaganda was the worst.

 

[Cometman]

I'm with you there. It is sad to see the airline slowing disappearing. The airplane being painted over in the crew lounge hallway and replaced with Southwest propaganda was the worst.

You won't be around too much longer if you really have the guts to quit before transitioning or was that just talk?

 

[scrub]

Give it a rest!

 

[PropPiedmont]

I'm with you there. It is sad to see the airline slowing disappearing. The airplane being painted over in the crew lounge hallway and replaced with Southwest propaganda was the worst.

Come to Dallas and you can see the giant AirTran 737 painting inside of the company headquarters building. It's like 10 feet across! First thing you see after clearing the security desk.

 

[intooclose]

I can't for the life of me why people want to rewrite history concerning Airtran. Do you F@#king guys remember Fornaro! Total loser. He paid s#@t and could never get the average ticket price we charged over $100. Southwest is consistantly over $150/fare. He ranked as one of the worst CEOs in terms of returning shareholder value...-60+%(CNBC). According to the Wall Street Journal we were literally 36 hours from bankruptcy in 2008. This is the same guy who yelled at two union guys in the terminal in front of passengers that we could not afford Alaska pay or benefits. I get it....the guys that have been here a long time saw a lot come from nothing...I get it. But...it is time to let the sun set on
"the little a. " The opinions expressed here are in no way to take anything away from the many great guys at Airtran. All, except a few cases, are great people and pilots. Now...where is that canyon blue paint....

 

[jstarav8r]

I saw Fornaro on SW the other day when I was commuting home. Wonder if he still has travel privileges? Was that part of his golden parachute?

 

[dicko]

Remember when Cramer Mad Money had his poll for worst airline CEO ? When Fornaro won, Cramer made a comment that he suspected some airline employees were heavily involved in the award. One of the few times the AirTran pilot group pulled in the same direction.

It is ironic that the forum was shut down primarily to limit any further damage done to the pilot group. Damage done by someone whose job it was to protect them.

 

[Parethd70]

Never in the history of the world has restricting communication been a good thing. The pilot I'm currently flying with was a lurker who never ever posted on the forum but is quite angry that it has been shut down. He rattled off a solid 10 or so examples of good information he has gleaned off the forum, information that our MEC would never or could never communicate. Examples he mentioned: recent gear pin issues, hotel issues, scheduling issues, etc.

The first sentence of their own resolution is complete crap: the forum is the least effective method for communicating? Give me a break. We get a weekly email update, typically with no content whatsoever. How is that effective?

And then they complain that they spend too much time "devoted to issues dealing with the forum". That's called being a rep. Deal with it. Pilots are going to call you either scared or pissed about stuff they hear somewhere or another. Here's a crazy idea...why didn't our leadership actually have a presence on the forum? You know, use it as a tool? Don't feed me BS about lawyers. I've been around. I've seen union reps use forums as great platforms for squashing BS and spreading helpful info.

 

[intooclose]

Remember when Cramer Mad Money had his poll for worst airline CEO ? When Fornaro won, Cramer made a comment that he suspected some airline employees were heavily involved in the award. One of the few times the AirTran pilot group pulled in the same direction.

It is ironic that the forum was shut down primarily to limit any further damage done to the pilot group. Damage done by someone whose job it was to protect them.

It wasn't worst airline CEO, it was Worst CEO. All CEOs were in the running. Yea, I agree there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Britpilot]

Never in the history of the world has restricting communication been a good thing. The pilot I'm currently flying with was a lurker who never ever posted on the forum but is quite angry that it has been shut down. He rattled off a solid 10 or so examples of good information he has gleaned off the forum, information that our MEC would never or could never communicate. Examples he mentioned: recent gear pin issues, hotel issues, scheduling issues, etc.

The first sentence of their own resolution is complete crap: the forum is the least effective method for communicating? Give me a break. We get a weekly email update, typically with no content whatsoever. How is that effective?

And then they complain that they spend too much time "devoted to issues dealing with the forum". That's called being a rep. Deal with it. Pilots are going to call you either scared or pissed about stuff they hear somewhere or another. Here's a crazy idea...why didn't our leadership actually have a presence on the forum? You know, use it as a tool? Don't feed me BS about lawyers. I've been around. I've seen union reps use forums as great platforms for squashing BS and spreading helpful info.

I agree.
It's another example of an out of touch leadership.
At least the weekly No news email told us to be happy for the SWA guys in ATL that now have an easier commute.

 

[Kharma Police]

So sad, what will the wise and all knowing German named oracle do now? Such a waste that all of his self proclaimed 100% accurate predictions will no longer be disseminated. One can only hope to have his all-star 1000 batting average of correctness.

 

[scarlet]

Another MEC decision without asking the pilots. It's truly amazing these people think they should make all major decisions. Yet we wonder why Airtran had the most recalls of any ALPA carrier in history.

If certain pilots did not like the forum, DONT GO THERE. DA.

ITs our dues, its our forum!