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People seem to argue that the company should pay for iPads. They should. But how much did you pay to carry those paper jepps around? Would you have rather spent that on an iPad?
 
I didn't pay for mine. Didn't pay a dime.

But I do plan on buying some clever, stupid stickers for my Ipad cover.... I refuse, however, to pay for something that requires me to my job. I'll just start throwing out the charts from my jepp books that I never use once I can't fit another page in without it exploding. But I will never, NEEEEEVER pay for an Ipad so I can do my job. I'm sick of all the crap we already have to pay for.
 
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Mesa isn't making anyone pay for iPads. It's Optional

What kind of headset do you use ?

What kind of suitcase did you buy ? The $ 300 metal frame one ?

Didn't you buy some pilot shirts for work ?


Don't be a hypocrite. Ever job has work expenses. Imagine driving 4 hours rountrip ever day for work. People do it. It's called life. Expenses are all part of it ....
 
OCP said:
People seem to argue that the company should pay for iPads. They should. But how much did you pay to carry those paper jepps around? Would you have rather spent that on an iPad?
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I spent $90 for my kit bag which has lasted 7+ years. I'm not interested in paying for a mandatory EFB, especially if it is locked down like the iPads at UAL. If they want control of the device they need to pay for it like any corporate laptop.

However, since I own a personal iPad I would absolutely elect to use that in place of paper charts if given the option. If if makes enough sense for the company to go all EFB with no paper chart option, that is up to them to purchase.
 
Quit your crying. An iPad is cheap. I'm sure the super heavy 30lb flight bag of manuals is cheap. Do any of you have any idea what MX spends on tools to do their job? Didn't think so. And you will never hear a mechanic crying about it. Just so you know... It is several thousands of dollars. Some spend more on a tool box than they do on a car.
 
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Your toolbox is our training... Except our training was a lot more expensive than yours. I know pilots who have student loans that are more than the mortgage on my house.

But back on topic. I sure as shlt am not trading anything in my contract for iPads. They are coming anyway... Just look at the rest of the industry. Call your reps and tell them the company can stick them where the sun doesn't shine if they're tied to contract negotiations. Call the company's bluff.
 
OCP said:
People seem to argue that the company should pay for iPads. They should. But how much did you pay to carry those paper jepps around? Would you have rather spent that on an iPad?
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So why should they pay for iPads?
 
They pay for the jepps. I paid for a bag to carry the jepps. They will pay for the iPad because those are the new jepps. I will pay for a bag to carry the iPad.

From now on, just think of the iPad as a company issued binder.
 
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They pay for the jepps. I paid for a bag to carry the jepps. They will pay for the iPad because those are the new jepps. I will pay for a bag to carry the iPad.

From now on, just think of the iPad as a company issued binder.
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TOTALLY flawed thought, in my opinion. The JEPP SUBSCRIPTION is still being paid for by the company (whether it be paper or digital). It is the binder (or Ipad in its place) that the pilot chooses to provide. If the pilot doesn't want to pay for the conveniences that the ipad offers (one-click revisions, lighter kit bag etc) then they can opt for the free binders and paper charts. But many might consider the ipad option worth the relatively minor expense (similar in price to a moderately priced headset).

I like to think of it as similar to those who opt to buy their own headset rather than using the company-provided headsets that are stocked on the airplane.

Another point - how much is your time worth? At my employer, I CAN'T bill the company for the 20-30 minutes two times a month that I spend updating my jepp charts. Does your company pay you for that time? Mine does not. However, with the ipad it takes literally 5 seconds to press the "UPDATE" button.

I was a holdout at first, but it has turned out to be one of (if not THE) best equipment investments I've made in this career.
 
I already own the iPad. Would gladly download the jepps subscription at company expense and deduct it on my taxes.
 
I think it is less about the upfront cost of the tablet and more about repairs and replacement when we inevitably break or lose them. Give them to us and we are responsible for their mtc. If we leave we give the unit back or pay some prorated amount to keep it. Seems pretty simple to me.
 
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I think it is less about the upfront cost of the tablet and more about repairs and replacement when we inevitably break or lose them. Give them to us and we are responsible for their mtc. If we leave we give the unit back or pay some prorated amount to keep it. Seems pretty simple to me.
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If you were a CEO of a company with 3100+ employees would you buy them iPads so they don't have to carry a breifcase?

Who would want a used outdated iPad?
 
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If you were a CEO of a company with 3100+ employees would you buy them iPads so they don't have to carry a breifcase?

Who would want a used outdated iPad?
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But.... the bag is so damn heavy, the up front cost of the ipads would be made back saving on all the flight bag related OJI's. hahahaha
 
I think there are many benefits to the tablets. From manual/jepp revisions to mtc records for the aircraft that pilots can readily access. A 1st gen iPad can do these. If you want to play games and watch high def porn you're gonna have to pony up for your own hotel entertainment.

I don't have any use for an iPad, I prefer my laptop. So, I'll carry the flight bag. If brad wants to buy me a tablet ill use it and return it if I leave. If my replacement doesn't have his own tablet then he can use mine.
 
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But.... the bag is so damn heavy, the up front cost of the ipads would be made back saving on all the flight bag related OJI's. hahahaha
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Airside was as a result of those hahahaha, OJIs. Don't you have some oil to clean up?
 
WOW! Listen to you guys rationalize having to pay for the iPad. Some of you can be talked into anything...
 
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WOW! Listen to you guys rationalize having to pay for the iPad. Some of you can be talked into anything...
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Some of us already own iPads. Some want one and would gladly buy one and deduct it on our taxes. Those that don't can keep their bags.
 
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WOW! Listen to you guys rationalize having to pay for the iPad. Some of you can be talked into anything...
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So how did they talk you into buying a chart case? Do you use your own headset? Just wondering... or did you somehow talk your employer to buy these for you. You rationalize away how there is a difference. Please don't say "Traditionally pilots have been required to provide their own flight cases for many decades". Ipads are a relatively new tool.
 
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Airside was as a result of those hahahaha, OJIs. Don't you have some oil to clean up?
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Ummm not exactly. Remember after the Colgan accident and we all saw lots of FAA jumpseat audits? Part of those jumpseat rides was pub checks. It was found that Skywest pilots were almost an order of magnitude more out of date on their Jepp updates than the rest of the industry. Ya see, ASA had 4 guys go work for the FAA after SLC closed. I am friends with 3 of them. They all confirmed this independently. Skywest was given the option to avoid a huge fine and media turmoil by "making sure our pilots are never out of date". Thats how you got Airside. If OJI's were the reason, we would all have them, since Skywest Inc self insures all of its employees.
 
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Ummm not exactly. Remember after the Colgan accident and we all saw lots of FAA jumpseat audits? Part of those jumpseat rides was pub checks. It was found that Skywest pilots were almost an order of magnitude more out of date on their Jepp updates than the rest of the industry. Ya see, ASA had 4 guys go work for the FAA after SLC closed. I am friends with 3 of them. They all confirmed this independently. Skywest was given the option to avoid a huge fine and media turmoil by "making sure our pilots are never out of date". Thats how you got Airside. If OJI's were the reason, we would all have them, since Skywest Inc self insures all of its employees.
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Sweet!

So basically, all we have to do is risk getting a violation/dequal/employer disciplinary action and launch an en masse campaign and have EVERY CRJ/ERJ stop doing revisions and we can get airside?
 
I'd run, not walk to the ipad store. Other than security, there is nothing I hate more than the flight kit! Give me another $1/hr. and I'll buy my own jepp subscription.
 
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Ummm not exactly. Remember after the Colgan accident and we all saw lots of FAA jumpseat audits? Part of those jumpseat rides was pub checks. It was found that Skywest pilots were almost an order of magnitude more out of date on their Jepp updates than the rest of the industry. Ya see, ASA had 4 guys go work for the FAA after SLC closed. I am friends with 3 of them. They all confirmed this independently. Skywest was given the option to avoid a huge fine and media turmoil by "making sure our pilots are never out of date". Thats how you got Airside. If OJI's were the reason, we would all have them, since Skywest Inc self insures all of its employees.
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This has been discussed in depth, so where are they now....
 
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PBR back on his pedestal looking down at others...Hey look at me I'm up here yea thats me the guy with FOUR stripes count them!!!
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You put me up there, can't see the little people without looking down. Too much sand in your mangina?
 

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