Mesa recalling 80 pilots starting in March

[Turbine Pilot]

All 224 pilots got a letter sent to them on Monday and most received it on Tuesday. Only 109 pilots meet the 1500 hours, 25 are between 1000-1500 hours, 60 are below the 1000 hour mark, and the last 30 are unknown. Mesa is finally getting it that they are in trouble come August 1st if we have any further attrition.

 

[brokedash]

How much attrition are they expecting?

 

[jynxyjericho]

Someone cue up the pilot shortage broken record. I predict it'll all work out fine.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Not that much attrition for captain's are expected, but some FO's are quitting and any at this point is bad news for Mesa if they cannot find replacements. Why would anyone want to come here is the major question.

 

[dooork]

US Airwats is adding 9 900's to Mesa.

 

[dooork]

10-K
US AIRWAYS GROUP INC filed this Form 10-K on 02/20/2013
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Express Operations
Certain air carriers have code share arrangements with us to operate under the trade name “US Airways Express.” Typically, under a code share arrangement, one air carrier places its designator code and sells tickets on the flights of another air carrier, which is referred to generically as its code share partner. US Airways Express carriers are an integral component of our operating network. We rely heavily on feeder traffic from our US Airways Express partners, which carry passengers to our hubs from low-density markets that are uneconomical for us to serve with large jets. In addition, US Airways Express operators offer complementary service in our existing mainline markets by operating flights during off-peak periods between mainline flights. During 2012, the US Airways Express network served 157 airports in the continental United States, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, including 78 airports also served by our mainline operation. During 2012, approximately 28 million passengers boarded US Airways Express air carriers’ planes, approximately 44% of whom connected to or from our mainline flights. Of these 28 million passengers, approximately 8 million were enplaned by our wholly owned regional airlines Piedmont and PSA, approximately 20 million were enplaned by third-party carriers operating under capacity purchase agreements and less than 1 million were enplaned by carriers operating under prorate agreements, as described below.
The US Airways Express code share arrangements are in the form of either capacity purchase or prorate agreements. The capacity purchase agreements provide that all revenues, including passenger, mail and freight revenues, go to us. In return, we agree to pay predetermined fees to these airlines for operating an agreed-upon number of aircraft, without regard to the number of passengers on board. In addition, these agreements provide that certain variable costs, such as airport landing fees and passenger liability insurance, will be reimbursed 100% by us. We control marketing, scheduling, ticketing, pricing and seat inventories. Under the prorate agreements, the prorate carriers receive a prorated share of ticket revenue and pay certain service fees to us. The prorate carrier is responsible for pricing the local, point to point markets to the extent that we do not have competing existing service in that market. We are responsible for pricing all other prorate carrier tickets. The prorate carrier is also responsible for all costs incurred operating the aircraft. Our prorate carrier, Trans States Airlines, Inc., operated three regional jets and SkyWest Airlines, Inc. operated one regional jet under a prorate agreement at December 31, 2012. All US Airways Express carriers have logos, service marks, aircraft paint schemes and uniforms similar to our mainline operation.
The following table sets forth our US Airways Express capacity purchaseagreements and the number and type of aircraft operated under those agreements at December 31, 2012.

 

[dooork]

10-K
US AIRWAYS GROUP INC filed this Form 10-K on 02/20/2013
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Express Operations
Certain air carriers have code share arrangements with us to operate under the trade name “US Airways Express.” Typically, under a code share arrangement, one air carrier places its designator code and sells tickets on the flights of another air carrier, which is referred to generically as its code share partner. US Airways Express carriers are an integral component of our operating network. We rely heavily on feeder traffic from our US Airways Express partners, which carry passengers to our hubs from low-density markets that are uneconomical for us to serve with large jets. In addition, US Airways Express operators offer complementary service in our existing mainline markets by operating flights during off-peak periods between mainline flights. During 2012, the US Airways Express network served 157 airports in the continental United States, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, including 78 airports also served by our mainline operation. During 2012, approximately 28 million passengers boarded US Airways Express air carriers’ planes, approximately 44% of whom connected to or from our mainline flights. Of these 28 million passengers, approximately 8 million were enplaned by our wholly owned regional airlines Piedmont and PSA, approximately 20 million were enplaned by third-party carriers operating under capacity purchase agreements and less than 1 million were enplaned by carriers operating under prorate agreements, as described below.
The US Airways Express code share arrangements are in the form of either capacity purchase or prorate agreements. The capacity purchase agreements provide that all revenues, including passenger, mail and freight revenues, go to us. In return, we agree to pay predetermined fees to these airlines for operating an agreed-upon number of aircraft, without regard to the number of passengers on board. In addition, these agreements provide that certain variable costs, such as airport landing fees and passenger liability insurance, will be reimbursed 100% by us. We control marketing, scheduling, ticketing, pricing and seat inventories. Under the prorate agreements, the prorate carriers receive a prorated share of ticket revenue and pay certain service fees to us. The prorate carrier is responsible for pricing the local, point to point markets to the extent that we do not have competing existing service in that market. We are responsible for pricing all other prorate carrier tickets. The prorate carrier is also responsible for all costs incurred operating the aircraft. Our prorate carrier, Trans States Airlines, Inc., operated three regional jets and SkyWest Airlines, Inc. operated one regional jet under a prorate agreement at December 31, 2012. All US Airways Express carriers have logos, service marks, aircraft paint schemes and uniforms similar to our mainline operation.
The following table sets forth our US Airways Express capacity purchaseagreements and the number and type of aircraft operated under those agreements at December 31, 2012.

Carrier

Number and Type
of Aircraft
PSA (1)

49 regional jets
Piedmont (1)

44 turboprops
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation

70 regional jets
Republic Airline, Inc. (“Republic”)

58 regional jets
Mesa Airlines, Inc. (2)

38 regional jets
SkyWest Airlines, Inc.

14 regional jets
Chautauqua Airlines, Inc. (2)

9 regional jets

(1) PSA and Piedmont are wholly owned subsidiaries of US Airways Group.
(2) In February 2013, we executed an amendment to our capacity purchase agreement with Chautauqua which removes the nine Embraer 145 regional jets they currently operate from our express fleet by July 2013. In addition, we executed an amendment to our capacity purchase agreement with Mesa Airlines to add nine CRJ 900 aircraft.

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[brokedash]

Right before the ATP rules go into effect and at an airline that has a hard enough time getting enough furloughees to accept recall. Things that make you think...

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Rumor is that out of all of the 224 furloughs, only 50 are going to come back. They need 80. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[brokedash]

Things to remember:

1. Mesa will not have enough recalls accept to cover this flying
2. Highly unlikely anyone with the ATP/hours would come to Mesa
3. During BK OO would have bought Mesa's planes had MAG ALPA not protested OO not wanting all the YV pilots.
4. With nine additional 900s, YV pilots would be needed.
5. Boiler plate language in every CPA state should the major or regional file BK, get bought, sold or otherwise involved in a merger all contracts are subject to termination.
6. Mesa has 10 700s coming off contract in December that would allow OO to upgrade their 200s in PHX.
7. All things considered it looks like these additional 900s and the ATP/hours rule will position Mesa to be acquired by OO.

 

[amcnd]

Things to remember:

1. Mesa will not have enough recalls accept to cover this flying
2. Highly unlikely anyone with the ATP/hours would come to Mesa
3. During BK OO would have bought Mesa's planes had MAG ALPA not protested OO not wanting all the YV pilots.
4. With nine additional 900s, YV pilots would be needed.
5. Boiler plate language in every CPA state should the major or regional file BK, get bought, sold or otherwise involved in a merger all contracts are subject to termination.
6. Mesa has 10 700s coming off contract in December that would allow OO to upgrade their 200s in PHX.
7. All things considered it looks like these additional 900s and the ATP/hours rule will position Mesa to be acquired by OO.

#6?? Mesa flys the 700 for UA ??? How does that benefit OO??

 

[brokedash]

Mesa flys 20 700s for UAX. 10 come off line in Dec. OO could use those to upgrade the 200s they have nowffor US. The other 10 they could keep operating for UAX.

 

[amcnd]

Who owns Mesa's 700's?? Mesa or UA?? SkyWest also has a small batch coming off contract soon...

 

[Turbine Pilot]

United has renewed for the past two years for the 700's. Mesa will not lose those. United now with the new contract is after the 50 seaters to convert to 70 seaters. Hence, skywest. Mesa is fine with United with the 700's unless our performance suffers. Right Mesa's performance is one of the best in the industry. The big worry was if Airways would renew our 38 900's next year. By Airways giving us 9 more, that pretty much means they want to keep the 38 as well. Looks like Mesa finally has good news for once. They just have to staff it now...

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Things to remember:

1. Mesa will not have enough recalls accept to cover this flying
2. Highly unlikely anyone with the ATP/hours would come to Mesa
3. During BK OO would have bought Mesa's planes had MAG ALPA not protested OO not wanting all the YV pilots.
4. With nine additional 900s, YV pilots would be needed.
5. Boiler plate language in every CPA state should the major or regional file BK, get bought, sold or otherwise involved in a merger all contracts are subject to termination.
6. Mesa has 10 700s coming off contract in December that would allow OO to upgrade their 200s in PHX.
7. All things considered it looks like these additional 900s and the ATP/hours rule will position Mesa to be acquired by OO.

OUR SCOPE PROTECTED ALL OF OUR PILOTS. OO only wanted top 200 pilots, we unlike other airlines (PCL to name one) chose to protect the entire pilot group and the profession by not putting the senior pilots needs above the majority of the rest of the pilots. Mesa's 700's are still under contract thru the remainder of the contract and possibly extending.. OO IS DOING A GREAT JOB UNDERBIDDING EVERYONE LOOSING MONEY EACH TIME TO GET MORE FLYING. KEEP IT UP, WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR NEXT IN BANKRUPTCY.. HOW MANY 50 SEAT AIRCRAFT DO YOU FLY THAT NOBODY WANTS ANYMORE? V

 

[CRJ puppy]

OUR SCOPE PROTECTED ALL OF OUR PILOTS. OO only wanted top 200 pilots, we unlike other airlines (PCL to name one) chose to protect the entire pilot group and the profession by not putting the senior pilots needs above the majority of the rest of the pilots. Mesa's 700's are still under contract thru the remainder of the contract and possibly extending.. OO IS DOING A GREAT JOB UNDERBIDDING EVERYONE LOOSING MONEY EACH TIME TO GET MORE FLYING. KEEP IT UP, WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR NEXT IN BANKRUPTCY.. HOW MANY 50 SEAT AIRCRAFT DO YOU FLY THAT NOBODY WANTS ANYMORE? V

Wow. Someone forget to sign off or start at the bar a tad early today?!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

OUR SCOPE PROTECTED ALL OF OUR PILOTS. OO only wanted top 200 pilots, we unlike other airlines (PCL to name one) chose to protect the entire pilot group and the profession by not putting the senior pilots needs above the majority of the rest of the pilots. Mesa's 700's are still under contract thru the remainder of the contract and possibly extending.. OO IS DOING A GREAT JOB UNDERBIDDING EVERYONE LOOSING MONEY EACH TIME TO GET MORE FLYING. KEEP IT UP, WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR NEXT IN BANKRUPTCY.. HOW MANY 50 SEAT AIRCRAFT DO YOU FLY THAT NOBODY WANTS ANYMORE? V

Really, exactly how much money is OO "loosing"??




P.S. Sounds like they need to tighten it up...:laugh:

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Really, exactly how much money is OO "loosing"??



When OO underbid mesa to get airways flying in phx at a almost 100,000 per month per airframe you do the math..

 

[N4niner206]

OUR SCOPE PROTECTED ALL OF OUR PILOTS. OO only wanted top 200 pilots, we unlike other airlines (PCL to name one) chose to protect the entire pilot group and the profession by not putting the senior pilots needs above the majority of the rest of the pilots. Mesa's 700's are still under contract thru the remainder of the contract and possibly extending.. OO IS DOING A GREAT JOB UNDERBIDDING EVERYONE LOOSING MONEY EACH TIME TO GET MORE FLYING. KEEP IT UP, WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR NEXT IN BANKRUPTCY.. HOW MANY 50 SEAT AIRCRAFT DO YOU FLY THAT NOBODY WANTS ANYMORE? V

While it may stink for Mesa pilots to watch our operation dwindle down while OO came in to operate (supposedly at a loss), let's not go wishing others into bankruptcy. Trust me I understand... I heard my share of "when is Mesa going under?" or "we're coming after your 900s next" kind of statements... but let's focus on being the better man. Its the constant competition and pi$$ing matches between pilots and pilot groups that makes it so easy for management to whipsaw us against one another. Let's just celebrate the fact that we may finally have some good news for a change and focus on improving our operation and our pilot contract. There is already enough doom and gloom in this industry to go around without us wishing more upon others.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Really, exactly how much money is OO "loosing"??



When OO underbid mesa to get airways flying in phx at a almost 100,000 per month per airframe you do the math..

SkyWest does not bid on flying at a loss.

Really, $100,000 per airframe per month? That would be basically flying for free. That is nothing more than your personal fantasy to deal with the reality that you fly for the ********************tiest airline in the country run by a certified crook. You are now a private company because your exit from bankruptcy wouldn't pass the smell test of the SEC. You continue to exist because Airways didn't want a service disruption that would have resulted from your liquidation.

SkyWest started flying for Airways as a hedge against your long history of unbelievable crappyness. So you are performing well now, great. Stumble and you will be gone in a heartbeat. Nine more planes? Hope you can staff them! Anything close to the clown show of five years ago and your history.

Happy trails!